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frreddie willia

09-16-2005 06:37:41




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PULL SLEEVE OUT FOUND CRACK IN BLOCK TOOK TO MACHINE SHOP COULDNT HELP WANTED TO KNOW IS THEIR SEALANT I COULD BUY OR SOMETHING TO SAVE BLOCK




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El Toro

09-16-2005 09:12:29




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 Re: super m 1952 in reply to frreddie williams, 09-16-2005 06:37:41  
After I received a message from Captaink I called the machine shop in our area and ask about installing a permanent sleeve as the the Captain suggested. They do it and have had good luck, but they won't guarantee it. In fact he put one in a block this morning. The cost is about $100.00 and the block needs to be stripped. This shop has been in business for over 75 years. The shop foreman has been there for over 40 years. Hal

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El Toro

09-16-2005 07:23:24




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 Re: super m 1952 in reply to frreddie williams, 09-16-2005 06:37:41  
If it was me, I would look for a good block. That's a lot of work to use that cracked block and having to pull the engine again. You don't want that coolant leaking into your oil. I'm sure you're going to get some postings on using
various sealants. I don't like doing a rebuild twice even though I like working on engines. I had a school teacher that said, "anything you do, do with all your might, because things done by halves are never done right." Here's a website for salvage yards, some may be in your area. Hal

PS: Sixteen pages of salvage yards.

Link

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captaink

09-16-2005 08:12:37




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 Re: super m 1952 in reply to El Toro, 09-16-2005 07:23:24  
I agree with Hal that it’s a lot of work to rebuild and engine twice. A salvage block is a good option.

I do however find it odd that the machine shop couldn’t help you. Were is the crack? Any crack that I have seen behind a sleeve would be fixable by boring the block to fit a permanent sleeve, then boring the permanent sleeve to fit the replaceable liner. Curious is what I am…



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El Toro

09-16-2005 08:33:01




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 Re: super m 1952 in reply to captaink, 09-16-2005 08:12:37  
If that option is available he should check with
another machine shop in his area. I would only buy a block if they guaranteed it not be cracked.
I ran in this when I had a GM car with the 2.5L
engine and the head was cracked. I was losing coolant and saw bubbles in the recovery jug. I bought a used head and it was cracked too. They gave me 3 more heads and they were cracked too. They refunded my money and I bought a new head.
It cost $500 without any valves, I used the old valves since they had never been ground. GM had a lot of problems with those heads and you didn't need to overheat the engine. Hal

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Janicholson

09-16-2005 09:35:21




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 Re: super m 1952 in reply to El Toro, 09-16-2005 08:33:01  
The coolant side of the new sleeve is where I have issues with a cracked dry sleeve block.

If the original block cylinder is machined away entirly, there will be no structural support on the deck, or lower block from the column strength of the casting. I can't imagine a good seal on the lower end either.

If the block is bored only to take a thinner sleeve, then relined with a real dry sleeve, my feeling is that the crack has not been stopped, nor is cooling even at the crack, and the corrosion in the crack could spread farther around the cylinder, and or leak into the oil side of things.

My opinion is that the only engine worth salvaging with desperate measures is a one off unique engine with extreem rarity.

I'd Find a good one before spending $ on something to worry about (even if it never goes bad).
JimN

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captaink

09-20-2005 06:55:56




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 Re: super m 1952 in reply to Janicholson, 09-16-2005 09:35:21  
The engine that I did was a D282 from a 560 Diesel. The machine shop used a sealer behind the thin sleeve that was inserted. I did this about 24 years ago on two cylinders in the block. Since then I have put over 4000 hours on the engine and just had the head off to replace a head gasket. There were no cracks in the cylinders (I especially checked for them) and I'm getting no water in the oil.

You have some good points that I agree with and nothing wrong with your advice. I just wanted to point out that this repair is sound and does produce lasting results in the real world if done properly.

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El Toro

09-16-2005 13:42:18




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 Re: super m 1952 in reply to Janicholson, 09-16-2005 09:35:21  
If it was mine I would find another block. Hal



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