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Pipe plug in engine oil pump/oil pressure?

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leon

09-15-2005 03:22:38




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I posted this earlier dut didn't get even one response. Bad timing on my part I guess. Anyway, I know the answer is out there so let me try again.

My Super C's engine oil pump has a 1/8" pipe plug in the upper housing. What's it for? Perchance is it covering an oil pressure adjusting screw? While I have the pan off, other than cleaning the intake screen, is there anything I can do to the pump to raise oil pressure?

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Theman

09-15-2005 11:49:10




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 Re: Pipe plug in engine oil pump/oil pressure? in reply to leon, 09-15-2005 03:22:38  
Leon, if the Super C is anything like the plug in the H it merely plugs a cross-drilled hole in the housing. The high-pressure side of the pump delivers oil to the pressure-relief valve through this hole. It is easier (and cheaper) for the manufacturer to sometimes not fool with an overly complex casting so it was drilled instead. Another thing about priming - since it was mentioned in an earlier post, look at the location of the pump relative to the oil level in the sump. If the pump inlet is below the oil level, it will be self priming. The H oil pump actually runs below the oil level and I suspect the same is true for yours.

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El Toro

09-15-2005 07:13:46




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 Re: Pipe plug in engine oil pump/oil pressure? in reply to leon, 09-15-2005 03:22:38  
It's better to prime the pump by setting it in a
container of clean engine oil and rotate the drive gear until oil flows from the outlet, then install on the engine. On some auto engines you
can spin the oil pump with a drill motor and prelube the whole engine by pulling the distributor. Hal



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P Backus

09-15-2005 06:44:20




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 Re: Pipe plug in engine oil pump/oil pressure? in reply to leon, 09-15-2005 03:22:38  
I looked in my I&T manual and of course they don"t say anything about the pipe plug, although you can tell from the drawing that there"s nothing behind it. As someone said, maybe it"s for priming.
It does list these clearances:
Diametral clearance of gears in pump body .005-.008 (That"s the space between the gear teeth and the housing)
Body gears end play .0035- .006
Paul



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Jay (ND)

09-15-2005 06:29:03




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 Re: Pipe plug in engine oil pump/oil pressure? in reply to leon, 09-15-2005 03:22:38  
I don't know what that plug is for - maybe to fill it after you've had it out.

As far as the pump, straighten or get a new bottom cover and gasket AND get a new pressure relief spring.



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Slappy

09-15-2005 05:35:34




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 Re: Pipe plug in engine oil pump/oil pressure? in reply to leon, 09-15-2005 03:22:38  
I don't know much about the C tractors, but none of my tractors (all IH) have adjustable oil pressure at the pump - only a spring loaded relief valve.

Oil pump covers can get warped, blow out the gasket, or "gouged" by the gears, all of which can result in low oil pressure. The fix is to have the cover machined flat (or use a sheet of plate glass with some grinding compound and do it the hard way), replace the gasket, and be sure to measure the end play in the shaft and add another gasket if you need to to prevent further gear contact with the plate - remember to order the gaskets, don't just make one from whatever's handy, thickness is important here.

The gear lash should also be measured and if too far out of spec they can be replaced. They are pricey, however, and in some cases it is almost as cheap to by a new oil pump as to replace both gears. Many people I know have replaced only the body gear (the one that isn't pinned to the shaft), and while not within spec, enough backlash was made up to restore respectable oil pressure.

If you get no satisfaction with these fixes, then you should consider main, rod, and/or cam bearing problems. Again, I've never been inside a C, but if they are similar to A's, H's and M's these fixes will help.

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Randy in NE

09-15-2005 04:39:29




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 Re: Pipe plug in engine oil pump/oil pressure? in reply to leon, 09-15-2005 03:22:38  
Leon, I did not respond yesterday because 1). I have no idea what the plug is, 2). I was pretty busy at work, and 3). figured that somebody would have an answer. I am looking at the parts manual for the Super C. It shows the body of the oil pump with "PLUG, pipe, sq-hd., Cl, 1/8"". But it doesn't indicate what it is for. I don't see anything in there to adjust. I am just taking a guess here but maybe it is a way to fill the pump with oil after rebuilding/repairing it so that it is primed. Just a guess.

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El Toro

09-15-2005 04:05:11




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 Re: Pipe plug in engine oil pump/oil pressure? in reply to leon, 09-15-2005 03:22:38  
You need to have close tolerances on your main and
rod bearings for good oil pressure. Not sure what
th pipe plug is on your pump. Hal
PS: My IH manual says the spring loaded plunger type oil pressure relief valve is non-adjustable.
I think someone has posted on here to replace the oil pump gear cover if it is slightly bulged and gasket.



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