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Allan in NE

09-07-2005 20:16:31




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Hey Guys,

My bud up in South Dakota tells me that my little 686 might not pull this 18' Vibrashank.

Does anyone know where a feller would buy some of those lug bolt "eye" thingys for a 966 so I can move my snap on duals over to the bigger tractor?

Don't know what size they are, but they sure are bigger than the small chassis tractor lug bolt size.

Thanks,

Allan

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chadd

09-08-2005 05:30:11




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 Re: Help? in reply to Allan in NE, 09-07-2005 20:16:31  
I don't know about the eye bolts, but I would say to go ahead and try it with the 686 and if it doesn't pull, go to option number 2. Try putting depth locks on the ram so that it can't go in very deep. I was using our 12' four days ago. Pulled it with our 806 in 1st high with it sunk somewhere about 3 or 4 inches down, although I didn't get off and measure, that is just a guess. (any lower and all that comes up are rocks. . . I guess that should be expected when you live in Rockfield!) Our 806 has 105 hp, full fluid in the rears, 8 front end weights,and 2 full circle rear wheel weights per side. We have a ton of clay in our soil, so I would think it would pull easier out there, although that is just me guessing, I don't really know for sure.

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Allan in NE

09-08-2005 05:47:55




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 Re: Help? in reply to chadd, 09-08-2005 05:30:11  
Hey Chadd,

That is what the machinery salesman told me, 'cause I was bellyachein' to him that it looked like a bearcat to pull.

He says, no not really. Says most guys don't take the time to set 'em up right to pull even and level.

He says to run it at 2 to 3" deep and that they don't pull as hard as they look. Wonder if a guy can still find one of those old IH cylinders that had the "stop" valve built in?

I'll find out how she tugs, I guess.

Allan

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chadd

09-08-2005 05:53:26




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 Re: Help? in reply to Allan in NE, 09-08-2005 05:47:55  
We have ours with lock collars on the ram so that the pressure against the ram kicks out the hydraulics. Below is a picture.

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Allan in NE

09-08-2005 06:01:14




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 Re: Help? in reply to chadd, 09-08-2005 05:53:26  
Yep,

That's how my neighbor does it too.

Now, let me ask you about alfalfa. Do you run this thing in an old alfalfa field to clean it up in the spring?

I've had two guys tell me that these things are the absolute cat's meow for getting rid of cheat grass in a tired alfalfa stand. Would ya have to change the all the duckfeet for diamond points?

Thanks,

Allan



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chadd

09-08-2005 06:52:26




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 Re: Help? in reply to Allan in NE, 09-08-2005 06:01:14  
We have never used it for that, although you probably could. We have the diamond points on ours because that is what it came with. I would imagine you would have to swap out the duckfeet for your use though, otherwise it would dig everything up.



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Rauville

09-08-2005 05:22:00




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 Re: Help? in reply to Allan in NE, 09-07-2005 20:16:31  
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Here's a 26' wide unit being pulled with just a 46 horsepower setup. Plus, you're getting your fertilizer application done at the same time.



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Allan in NE

09-08-2005 03:44:37




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 Re: Help? in reply to Allan in NE, 09-07-2005 20:16:31  
Well, phooey!

I'm hearing some things here that I didn't wanna hear (like that bouncin' business). :>(

My biggest concern is weed control and I bought this gizmo because of it's "overlap" on the duckfeet. All the shovels are 9" except that back row, in which they appear to be something on the order of 12 or 14" wide. Shanks are on 6" centers.

So, I dunno. But it sure looks to me like the fore and aft level and ground speed are the items that need to be set correctly to leave a good, decent job? My eye tells me that 4.5 mph is a God's plenty on speed. Sound about right?

Thanks fellas. I appreciate your help.

Allan

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Hugh MacKay

09-08-2005 19:52:35




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 Re: Help? in reply to Allan in NE, 09-08-2005 03:44:37  
Allan: That Vibra Shank will not bounce until you get up around 8 mph The other problem that will occur at or above 7-8 mph is shank breakage. Remember I was using a lot of hired help, to cut down on bouncing and breakage, take the horsepower away from small minds. Works every time.



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Hugh MacKay

09-08-2005 02:22:30




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 Re: Help? in reply to Allan in NE, 09-07-2005 20:16:31  
Allan: Your friend is right. I had the same vibra shank as yours. When new I just bought the center section, 12.5' as I recall. I pulled it with 560 and 656, but even the 12.5' was a load for them if doing any depth. I think if I remember correctly wings added 6'. I know 1066 just played with it. It was a nice load for my 100 hp Deere.

The part I didn't like with the Vibra Shank, was if you pulled it too fast it would start bouncing and leave the soil surface like waves on water. I hired a new guy once, put him on 1066 with 18.5' Vibra Shank with crumbler behind. My lead hand caught him about 4th trip down the field, making about 12 mph. He made him go back over those passes, didn't help. It was about two years before the waves disappeared. I was a bit fussy as I was running a rotation of 3 year corn and 4 years alfalfa. I liked the new S tine cultivators much better, they take more hp per foot, but it's worth it.

As for the hardware for duals, you see them in most farm supply stores around these parts.

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Allan in NE

09-08-2005 04:34:09




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 Re: Help? in reply to Hugh MacKay, 09-08-2005 02:22:30  
Mornin',

Yes, that is exactly right. 12 and a half feet folded and 18 and a half with the wings down. Trouble is, when I unfolded the jasper, the 686 won't look me in the eye anymore.

She is a snorty little scrapper with that German diesel, but I just think this might be too much of a load for it. Dunno, I'm gonna give it a whirl in 2nd gear anyway just to see, before swappin' those derned heavy tires around. Gettin' old, i guess. :>)

Boy, I'm tellin' ya, I'm getting a whole new education and a large dose of respect fer these dryland boys. She's a whole new ballgame out here. :>)

Allan

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MN Scott

09-07-2005 21:21:06




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 Re: Help? in reply to Allan in NE, 09-07-2005 20:16:31  
Well you could always pull it with the wings folded up. I think it would be quit a load for a 686 folded out. Those old 45's had a nasty habit of rocking back and forth making them pull hard. As for the duel eyes your local ag tire dealer should have them or be able to order them. I have a set on my 756 I just bought that I would give to you if you were closer. I only run hub duel's so I will never use them.

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MidMiGene

09-07-2005 21:01:35




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 Re: Help? in reply to Allan in NE, 09-07-2005 20:16:31  
Allen,
I had the same problem, when I wanted to dual up my 756. I don"t remember who, but someone was kind enough to supply me with link. Enjoy. Gene
http://www.gemplers.com/a/shop/list.asp?SKW=2T2TRDUP&c=cattire&UID=200504131302103289665655



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P Backus

09-07-2005 20:50:29




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 Re: Help? in reply to Allan in NE, 09-07-2005 20:16:31  
Hi Allan
It"s been a while since I"ve connected with you. I"m afraid i don"t know the answer exactly, although I do know what you are talking about. My thought is that the 686 should be able to pull that 18 footer. I have an 18 foot cart harrow that probably doesn"t pull as hard as the vibrashank with sweeps, but my 600 just plays with it. Then again, the 600 just plays with a lot of things- I think it"s a matter of pride with him. I would imagine that your friendly local dealer would have those eye nut thingies in various sizes, don"t you think? They were so commonly used and when duals sell at auction, rarely do they take the time to put those eyes with them, so folks must be able to get there hands on them somehow.
I hope all is well with you. I haven"t had the time to be on the forum much this summer.
Paul

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steveormary

09-07-2005 21:08:48




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 Re: Help? in reply to P Backus, 09-07-2005 20:50:29  
Allan Dont know. Just try it I guess. Depends on how fast and deep you want to go. Have fun and be careful.

steveormary ps.It should pull it ok



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KRUSS

09-08-2005 06:38:29




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 Re: Help? in reply to steveormary, 09-07-2005 21:08:48  
AHHHH memories. We (I) used to pull an 18 and a half vibrashank with a gutsy 706 on our clay loam soil. Pulled in L3 TA ahead. Of course in those days everything I drove ran with the throttle wide open!! 3 inches deep is usually enough, I'd replace those wider shovels with 9". If it is having trouble clearing trash then it won't pull very easy. It will work for renovating alfalfa if it has narrow points. You may break the odd shank doing this. I have 49 shanks I'm not using if you ever find yourself in SW Manitoba.

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Nat

09-08-2005 06:23:56




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 Re: Help? in reply to steveormary, 09-07-2005 21:08:48  
You guys are either nuts, or you don't like old Allen that much... Tellin' him he can pull a big heavy tillage tool like that with a little 686... Shame on you!



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TP from Central PA

09-08-2005 17:55:46




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 Re: Help? in reply to Nat, 09-08-2005 06:23:56  
Don"t know much about Kraut Power do ya? I could get up on my soap box again..... .....But its late so I"ll let it slide just this once. I spent today on a 766D and I could only wish I had Kraut Power..... ...



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Allan in NE

09-08-2005 18:58:59




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 Re: Help? in reply to TP from Central PA, 09-08-2005 17:55:46  
Hey TP,

Well, you've made yourself imortal. I think about you every darned time I run my German.

One little ride across the field and it makes a true believer out of ya.

Yep, I know damned well that this 686 will run right beside my old 766 with the 360D. Not a doubt in my mind. :>)

Allan



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Quebec Red

09-09-2005 16:38:35




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 Re: Help? in reply to Allan in NE, 09-08-2005 18:58:59  
Never never never underestimate a German 310 or a 358. Yes they are tempermental SOBs in cold weather; yes they slobber if let idle; yes they are expensive to repair, BUT..... they pull like all he?? !!! Over the years I had 2 706s with the 282 motor. Good machines. I bought the only 706-310s that I found. With 16.9x38 tires, tuned to high factory spec they could keep my 806 (361d) in sight. And the 806 would eat my 986's lunch. ( a 1086 cured that problem!!! ) In my opinion those 310 motors were the best thing that happened to that series of Farmalls. Here in eastern Canada, there were many 786 and 886 sold with the 358 incher. Also a fair number of 3088s amd 3288 models. Some farmers kept the 706 310ers or their 756s and bought 3288s, bypassing the 3688, and passing the 3688 in the field. And I just loved the sound of a 310 pulling hard on a clear evening... that sound rolled across the valley where I farmed. Sweet music. Good stuff!!!! 'Memories....

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Allan in NE

09-08-2005 06:32:53




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 Re: Help? in reply to Nat, 09-08-2005 06:23:56  
Naw,

Ya don't understand. I've got the big style little 686. :>)

Allan



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