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656 Gas Usage - Nebraska Test Results

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Nathan in Texas

09-07-2005 13:24:26




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I posted this on the original thread but just in case some people miss it back on the back pages I thought I would post the actual data here.

MrIH was nice enough to post the actual fuel consumption rates from the Nebraska Tractor Test results.

Model ----- 100% ----- - 50%
gallons of fuel used per hour

Gas Hydro ---- 6.383 ----- 5.228
Dsl Hydro ---- 5.380 ----- 3.935
Gas Gear ----- 5.182 ----- 3.712
Dsl Gear ----- 4.173 ----- 2.583

MrIH mentioned that the Hydros were set at 2,300 rpm vs. 1,800 rpm for the gear drive so that explains part of the extra consumption for the Hydro. Looks like the Gas uses about 1 gallon per hour more than the Diesel and everyone was right on the Gas Hydro, it eats the fuel like nobodys buisness but the Diesel Hydro is close behind and actually uses more than the Gas Gear drive!!

The difference between the gas and diesel seems to stay about the same at the reduced power. Using the unrounded numbers the Gas uses 1.009 gph more at 100% and 1.129 gph more at 50% - The diesel gets a little more efficient at the lighter load but not alot more than the gas.

At $2.50 per gallon the gas gear drive version will cost about $275 more to run per year than the diesel gear drive per every 100 hours of operation on fuel costs.

Thought I would share the actual test results that MrIH provided.

Nathan

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VernMN

09-08-2005 11:23:01




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 Re: 656 Gas Usage - Nebraska Test Results in reply to Nathan in Texas, 09-07-2005 13:24:26  
Your numbers are pretty good. My 656 gas hydro with a 4x16 semi mounted plow in Clay was over 7GPH. On a baler it was 1.5 GPH more than a 460 gas on the same baler. On heavy pull the lugging power or torque was less than the than the 460 in performance. The 460 is still on the job, the 656 had to go.



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Jim Allen

09-08-2005 05:18:40




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 Re: 656 Gas Usage - Nebraska Test Results in reply to Nathan in Texas, 09-07-2005 13:24:26  
These numbers are about right on average. A diesel does about 25 percent more work for the same amount of fuel as a gasser. Still, as TractorVet says, the difference can be negligable on small acre farms considereing the lower prices of the gassers out there. I'm a diesel guy and it gives me hives to have to say it! I was getting desperate to find the right tractor at the right price and started looking at gassers because they are so much cheaper than diesels. I crunched the numbers and it would have taken about 10 years for the fuel savings of a diesel to make up the difference in price between the diesel tractor I wanted and the gasser I could afford. I was lucky enough to find the diesel I wanted at a good price, but I came very close to owning a 4020 gasser. The other element upcoming that could narrow the gap again is the new "emissions friendly" diesel fuel formulations coming up in '06 and '07. This fuel will be more expensive than the current (peewater) diesel. Some say 10 to 15 cents more expensive. It will be good fuel, though, better than what we've had. Gas and diesel have been running very close to the same price for the past few years and an extra .10-.15 might make them virtual equals.

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Hugh MacKay

09-08-2005 04:00:10




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 Re: 656 Gas Usage - Nebraska Test Results in reply to Nathan in Texas, 09-07-2005 13:24:26  
Nathan: I wouldn't want to bet very much money on those facts. Neb. tests while helpful, will not play out in the field, as it applies to fuel consumption. I had both a 656 and 560 gear drive diesels, and on NH 460 haybine they would run 1 to 1.25 Imp. gallons per hour. My 300 would run 3 Imp. and not be as fast on the haybine. In discussing with a friend my 300 was quite efficient compared to his 460 gas.

The 656 diesel will probably run 10,000 hours without a tuneup, whereas the gasser will require major tuneup every 500 hours. I would venture to guess when diesel is running at 1.25 gallon per hour, the gasser will be burning 4 gallons on same work. Nebraska tested these tractors two or three days when new. I put many thousands of hours on them.

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Allan in NE

09-08-2005 05:02:46




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 Re: 656 Gas Usage - Nebraska Test Results in reply to Hugh MacKay, 09-08-2005 04:00:10  
I'm of the same opinion. Don't bet all your duckies on those silly Nebraska tests.

I've said it before, I'll say it again. Anything over 50 horse in a gas configuration belongs in a parade or under a loader, not out in the field, 'cause you'll be walking by 4pm if you don't fuel up at noon.

I don't care what anyone says, I've been there, done that and those gassers guzzle fuel like a drunken sailor puts away beer. Plus the fact, they just simply do not have the luggin' ability (torque rise) of a diesel.

This is just my view, ya understand; but, gassers are like those little utility gizmos. They are okay fer mowin' the grass; just not much of a tractor when it comes to puttin' 'em down in the dirt.

Allan

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the tractor vet

09-07-2005 18:48:03




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 Re: 656 Gas Usage - Nebraska Test Results in reply to Nathan in Texas, 09-07-2005 13:24:26  
May be so but just how many gallons of gas you can burn for the cost of and injection pump or replacing that cracked head on the diesel because it got hot and ya did not thave the time to let it cool and shut it down hot and how many spark plugs does it take to equal one injector ?? for the novice -hobby farmer a gasser is the best way to go and like i said before even if ya pull a 4x16 plow on ten or twenty acres once a year it will not put you in the poor house. I pulled 4x16's 710 I H plow over 80 plus acres of corn ground and pulled a 13.6 370 disk with a 67 706 291 gasser for 12 years and i could plow all day and into the evening on one tank of fuel , but i had that old girl running like a singer sewing machine it was tuned to the max and like i said the most neglected thing on most tractors are the timming and valve set and when ya think ya got the carb set think again tunning and engine has alway been my thing and it always showed .

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Nathan in Texas

09-07-2005 19:04:54




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 Gear vs Hydro = more diff than Gas vs Dsl in reply to the tractor vet , 09-07-2005 18:48:03  
Yeah, I was happy with the numbers.

Actually, depending how you look at them the thing that no one would have really thought is that there is more of a difference between the gear drive and the hydros than there is between the gas and diesel! At 100% it is only about 1.2 gph more on the gas and diesel but at 50% the Hydro uses 1.5 gph more than the gear drive for both Gas and Diesel.

Pretty interesting. Pretty much the numbers really back up all those who have posted how much of a gas hog the Gas Hydro is.

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Jay (ND)

09-07-2005 17:09:11




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 Re: 656 Gas Usage - Nebraska Test Results in reply to Nathan in Texas, 09-07-2005 13:24:26  
Great info Nathan!

A 656 hydro gasser was what I was looking for when I found my M. I wanted a gas because I keep gas here. I keep diesel too, but only clear. I also wanted gas because I can start it more easily anytime of year. I've used one with a loader many times and it's the cats meow. Add the 3 pt and you have a guy that doesn't really need a tractor dream!

Jay



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whtpark01

09-07-2005 13:36:58




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 tractor vet speaks the gospel on this in reply to Nathan in Texas, 09-07-2005 13:24:26  
When its 30below zero, the 706 will fire up just fine after sitting in the shed for 3 days. It will run the haybine and rake a long summer day on 1 tank of fuel. Yes, one day a year it sucks the fuel fast doing heavy tillage, but it saved my bacon too many times to ever be sold off.



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