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holcombwa

09-05-2005 21:50:31




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I saw on a thread recently where the generator/voltage regulator has to be polarized because the VR points would pit otherwise. Had never heard of polarizing before and wonder what causes the points to pit if it isn't polarized. Electrical stuff is pretty tough for me to figure out, but seems like a metal set of points wouldn't know if the juice was flowing one way or the other when they close. And, guess I have a hard time seeing how giving them a heads up by polarizing the system before you start is going to make any difference. If someone could shed some light on this mystery, would appreciate it.
Stan

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John T

09-06-2005 02:48:55




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 Re: polarizing? in reply to holcombwa, 09-05-2005 21:50:31  
Holcom,

1) A generator works cuz youre rotating a coil of wire (Armatue) inside a Magnetic Field (Field).

2) When current flows through a wire, a magnetic field is created whose North/South Magnetic Polarity is dependant upon the direction of the current flow.

3) The North/South magnetic polarity of the magnetic field in which the coil of wire (Armature) rotates, determines the direction of curent flow in that coil of wire when a load is attached.

4) You "Polarize" the Generator (NOT the VR) by grounding the Gens Field post and then flashing voltage to the Armature post (where Field windings are also internally connected on Class A Systems). This draws Field current which imparts residual magnetism (via the electromagnetic field created around current flow in a wire) into the soft iron poles which has that certain and correct North/South magentic polarity.

THEREFORE When you Polarize a Generator you impart residual magnetism into the soft iron field poles having the correct N/S magnetic polarity so the Generator will cause current flow and charge the battery in the right direction and electrical polarity.

When the Gen first starts to turn and before the Battery gets connected to it (via the cutout relay inside the VR between its BAT and ARM terminals) it generates electricity in the correct electrical polarity so as to charge (pump current into battery) and NOT discharge (draw current out of battery)

Some VR's are bi polar and work at either polarity (if wired correct) while others may not. I have read the direction of current flow determines the coatings on the relay contacts and while they can work regardless, they last longer if current flow is in the direction they were designed for.

Clear as mud????? ??

John T Nordhoff in Indiana, retired electrical engineer

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holcombwa

09-06-2005 08:11:48




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 Re: polarizing? in reply to John T, 09-06-2005 02:48:55  
It is an enigma shrouded in mystery ensconced upon the throne of "Huh?"
Thanks for trying though. I'll flash the critter and see if it works.
Stan



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Nat

09-06-2005 11:56:46




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 Re: polarizing? in reply to holcombwa, 09-06-2005 08:11:48  
Put simply, if the generator is not polarized, it will suck juice out of the battery instead of putting it back in.

It has ZERO to do with the points.



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Janicholson

09-06-2005 06:51:46




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 Re: polarizing and beyond!! in reply to John T, 09-06-2005 02:48:55  
John T Nordhoff in Indiana, retired electrical engineer,
Thank you for your posts on this forum, you are well apreciated. I like the way you put thoughts together and articulat the essence of the issue. You inform the reader such that, instead of just getting the wire on the correct terminal, they are enabled toward greater conceptual understanding.
Thanks and keep it coming. JimN



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John T

09-06-2005 07:07:28




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 Re: polarizing and beyond!! in reply to Janicholson, 09-06-2005 06:51:46  
Thanks Jim, For yearsssss ss and especially when growing up, many many people such as my Grandpa and Uncles took time to teach me and likewise, when I first started restoring tractors mane people helped me, so I figure this is payback time for which I in turn am glad to try n help others.

HOWEVER, Im not very experienced with Farmalls so have to offer a lot of generic theoretical advice as opposed to more specific advice which it appears Bob M (Listen to himmmmm ) and many other fine gentlemen can. Still in line with the old proverb, " Feed a man a fish and you feed him a meal, but teach him how to fish and you feed him for life" I try n explain the theory whereby a reader can understand how things work and troubleshhot them with no wiring schematic at all.

Im retired from engineering and now a solo Country Lawyer and mostly into John Deeres. I used to write electrical technical articles for the Green Magazine and present Seminars at the bigger national John Deere shows, but lots of this sparky stuff is similar on most tractors.

Have a nice day, good luck n God Bless

John T Nordhoff in Indiana, "Old fashioned conservative fuddy duddy"

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El Toro

09-06-2005 07:36:17




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 Re: polarizing and beyond!! in reply to John T, 09-06-2005 07:07:28  
Hi John, Is there an easy way to remagnatize the magnets in a magneto? My late dad was from Waveland IN. Hal



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John T

09-06-2005 13:54:25




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 Re: polarizing and beyond!! in reply to El Toro, 09-06-2005 07:36:17  
Its an easy job to recharge the magnets IF YOU HAVE THE MAGNETIZER. Theres diagrams n plans floatng around the net somewhere maybe over on the Mother Deere board??? I suggest just sending them to a reputable mag rebuilder n pay him to do it. Their field strength IS VERY IMPORTANT to a good spark as youre only working with marginal energy in the first place and if all else is good, the magnets field and/or the strength of the spring becomes very important for ease of hand starting.

Thats all I have to say about that (being totally unfamiliar with the mags used on IHC)

John T

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