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Gary- The Rooki

09-04-2005 11:54:30




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sell for more money than H's?

At least that is my observation.




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cbrunswig

09-05-2005 09:40:46




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 Re: Why do Cubs and M's in reply to Gary- The Rookie Farmer, 09-04-2005 11:54:30  
H"s are a dime a dozen in Illinois. But try to buy a
fARMALL m,GOOD LUCK EVEN FINDING ONE



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Gary- The Rookie Farmer

09-05-2005 06:11:52




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 Re: Why do Cubs and M's in reply to Gary- The Rookie Farmer, 09-04-2005 11:54:30  
Wow guys, you put alot of thought into your responses! Thanks.

Gary



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Hugh MacKay

09-04-2005 19:16:54




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 Re: Why do Cubs and M's in reply to Gary- The Rookie Farmer, 09-04-2005 11:54:30  
Gary: I think a lot of this depends on location. Also I wouldn't go too much by what advertized prices are. Look to see what they actually sold for. If you asked me to give you a quick answer on this same subject, the two hottest selling IH tractors today are Super H and 140. You almost have to see an add before the ink gets dry to find a SH today. 140 is not quite as hot but close. I can understand the SH, they are not plentiful. The 140 however is not even close to being rare. There were far fewer SA1, 100 or 130, yet they will not fetch near the dollars the 140 will. SA will even sell better than a 100 or 130.

I ocasionally check adds after they have run for a couple of weeks. You try and find either SH or 140 after two weeks. 140s are going between $4,000. and $6,000. in top shape. SH between $3,000. and $5,000. You will find Cubs and M's unsold after two weeks.

By the way Farmalls A, SA, SA1, 100, 130 and 140, same basic tractor for 40 years from 1939 to 1979, has higher numbers than the Cub unless you include Cadets. My dad bought a new Cub once, thought it was going to replace the horse, it didn't. The A and SA are twice the tractor, in very little larger package.

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Perry County Farmalls

09-04-2005 14:55:09




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 Re: Why do Cubs and M's in reply to Gary- The Rookie Farmer, 09-04-2005 11:54:30  
cubs are cute..... .go to a show with a cute tractor and pick up chicks....lol...


and essentially a "M" and "H" can be hauled and weigh about the same.....so why not go a little bigger.....

plus "M"s are very common among pullers.

but I have a M and H...



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CNKS

09-04-2005 20:06:44




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 Re: Why do Cubs and M's in reply to Perry County Farmalls, 09-04-2005 14:55:09  
You can make an H as heavy as an M if you add 1000-1200 lbs of weights, and pull the weights off the M---



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Rudi

09-04-2005 14:06:31




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 Re: Why do Cubs and M's in reply to Gary- The Rookie Farmer, 09-04-2005 11:54:30  
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Gary:

I am not sure anyone has the definitive answer as to why Cubs are so desireable. I have 3, want many more, and I cannot tell you for sure why they are as sought after as they are.

However, with that said, here are some of my observations:

IH designed the Cub for a maximum lifespan of 7 years. That was 60 years ago, and 58 years ago, production began.

IH produced 247,000 give or take a few of the Farmall Cub and International Cub Tractors before production ended in 1979.

IH produced 25,500 International Lo Boy Tractos before production ended in 1968.

IH then in 1962 introduced the Numbered Cub Series (non-offset) which were similar to, shared many parts such as engine and other sundry items. These were not at popular as the Regular and the Lo-Boy, but almost 50,000 of the Numbered Cubs - 154, 184 and 185 were produced before production of these ceased in 1980.

IH designed the Cub for farms under 40 acres, which meant many small farmers could replace their horse or their mule with a tractor and either remain profitable or increase their profitability whilst lowering the time required to maintian their farms.

Also, IH designed, built, and also licensed or entered into production agreements with 3rd parties to ensure that suitable implements and accessories were available for the Cub. This aided immensely in the versatility of the Cub.

IH also kept the Cub simple. Nothing overly fancy, nothing that most of the farmers at the time could not handle in repairs provided they followed IH recommendations in the Owner's Manual and Preventive Maintenance Manuals. These Cubs are really easy to fix -- ask me -- I am mechanically challenged.. I am a cabinetmaker, not a mechanic... :-))

IH also produced a 4 cylinder engine - the C-60 which could provide 8 hours of work on a single tank of gas -- approximately 8 gallons. Very cost effective, especially in today's markets.

IH introduced the Cultivision design with the A and B, and incorporated it in the design of the Cub. This made truck farming much easier and much faster for the small farmer... still a great idea and one no one else is using... why boggles my mind... but that is another story.

Also, the Cub has been used widely for many chores from farming small truck gardens, to maintaining highways (mowing), street sweeping, landscaping, estate work, golf course maintenance and the list goes on...

To my mind, one of the important aspects to the Cubs desireability is its longevity and its sturdy construction. Also it's ease of operation.

Check out the Cub Manual Server at www.cleancomputes.com/Cub/index.html. There are brochures, ads and other interesting bits of info on Cubs which may help answer your question.

By the way :

Bet you can't just have one! ? :-))

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RustyFarmall

09-04-2005 13:25:09




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 Re: Why do Cubs and M's in reply to Gary- The Rookie Farmer, 09-04-2005 11:54:30  
Comparatively speaking, there weren't nearly as many Cubs built as there were Hs, so they are harder to find, thus they bring more money. Production of the M was nearly equal to the H, but the Ms got used harder, for more years, than the H, and for this reason most of the Ms just plain got worn out and went to the salvage yard, where the good parts could be used to keep another M running. The M is a bigger, more powerful tractor, and quite a few of them are still being used on todays farms, and this makes them more desirable to someone who is looking for a real working tractor, and the price goes up.

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Paul Shuler

09-04-2005 13:09:02




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 Re: Why do Cubs and M's in reply to Gary- The Rookie Farmer, 09-04-2005 11:54:30  
This is just my opinion. The cubs are small and much easier to haul, store,and work on as far as heavy parts such as tires and wheels. And they are a very useful little machine. The M,well it's just down right cool. It was the boss in it's day. I think this may be why these tractors seem to be a little more desirable. I don't own either one of these tractors. The super C and H are suit my needs more, but that dosen't stop me from about running into the ditch everytime I see a cub or an M for sale. They are very cool tractors for different reasons.

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farmallhal

09-05-2005 07:23:00




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 Republic Steam Show in reply to Paul Shuler, 09-04-2005 13:09:02  
Paul, are you going to be able to attend the Republic show with your new house going on? Would be nice to meet you and Harley is setting up a canopy and will have a water jug and cups available on Friday and Saturday. He is bringing a couple of his M's as well. Hope to see you there. Hal



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Paul Shuler

09-07-2005 19:26:54




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 Re: Republic Steam Show in reply to farmallhal, 09-05-2005 07:23:00  
I plan to be there unless things just get crazy



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Lee

09-04-2005 16:04:19




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 Re: Why do Cubs and M's in reply to Paul Shuler, 09-04-2005 13:09:02  
Paul I think has most of what's going on about right. I had a Cub for a while cause I bought it right at $1,000 and sold it for $2,500 although it did cost me a set of rear tires. I got some work in the woods out of it too which is why the old tires blew out but it was handy in the woods even though under powered. I was moving several thousand miles away so I sold it but if not for that I'd still have it. I think people like cubs because of the history, because it's small enough to be manageable, it can do pretty good for it's size, it's unique, it's a cheap machine considering what it takes to buy a similar sized newer unit even though a new unit might be more capable it's way more expensive. And you can sometimes find these cheap if you keep looking and get lucky.

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