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Dave Sherburne,

08-30-2005 14:10:31




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Read an article yesterday about Oilfields in Alberta Canada. Supposed to be second only to Saudi Arabia.
Macleans.ca/topstories/business/article.jsp?content
=20050613_107308_107308 LINK probroblywon't
work I found it on GlenBeck.com page 2 archives for august 29




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EricB

08-31-2005 04:33:29




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 Re: Alberta Ca Oil Fields in reply to Dave Sherburne,NY, 08-30-2005 14:10:31  
It's not hard guys. Its called USE LESS. Living in excess is just the american way.
I would have thought that people on this site would understand about making do and conservation.
Americans are screaming at $3 a gallon. Canada is whining at $5.00 and Europe is putting up with $8.

Climate change is not a myth!! Just look at the southern states today and ask yourself Why? Carry on guys! There's more where that came from!

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dhermesc

08-31-2005 05:55:43




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 Re: Alberta Ca Oil Fields in reply to EricB, 08-31-2005 04:33:29  
Climate change is not a myth!! There's more where that came from!

More coming out here on my computer screen there is coming out the south end of a north bound bull.



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EricB

08-31-2005 08:01:44




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 Re: Alberta Ca Oil Fields in reply to dhermesc, 08-31-2005 05:55:43  
Thank you for illustrating my point so clearly.



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Silver Pig

08-30-2005 22:00:25




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 Re: Alberta Ca Oil Fields in reply to Dave Sherburne,NY, 08-30-2005 14:10:31  
How come nothing is ever mentioned about the Colorado oil shale?
BTW, it was an old canner and cutter type DAIRY cow, that had the first US case of mad cow disease, yet the media lumped the whole thing off on the beef industry. There should be a ban on using "beef" from DAIRY cows for human consumption. Dog food maybe, although I guess you could still get mad cow disease if your dog licked you.

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dhermesc

08-31-2005 06:04:08




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 Re: Alberta Ca Oil Fields in reply to Silver Pig, 08-30-2005 22:00:25  
Problem is, up until 2001-2002 oil prices were so cheap there was no profit in extracting the oil from the shale, now there is. But now a entire new industry must be built up to start supplying, new equipment, new work force, permits, fences to keep the tree huggers out and so on. This takes years of commitment to a project that might not see a profit for a decade or more. This is all done while the "government" is doing its best to drive down crude prices. If crude prices drop the "shale to oil" industry goes broke before they produce a barrel.

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Bill in NC

08-30-2005 20:51:52




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 Re: Alberta Ca Oil Fields in reply to Dave Sherburne,NY, 08-30-2005 14:10:31  
Some thoughts:
1) They tell me companies such as Suncor working the Alberta oil sands is profitable whenever world oil prices are greater than $15 US. At today's prices Suncor is printing money. The good news is with that money rolling in they (and the other companies working the oil sands) can reinvest and expand their operations.
2) North America has a huge, huge amount of relatively cheap energy in coal sources. There is a lot of action occuring with coal conversion processes. A recent Forbes magazine article said GE is building a coal gasification plant beside a big utility generator in the Ohio River area to supply ultra clean and efficient burning energy to the generating station. We will likely see more such sites in the next ten years. Also, at some price point, coal to gasoline & diesel fuel conversion plants is a go.
3) The bad news is we may see $3.00/gallon gas for a long time. The good news is that we may see greater North American energy independence as a result.
4) I don't work for an energy company and don't have any stock in Suncor (darn it!).

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KRUSS

08-31-2005 09:55:02




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 Re: Alberta Ca Oil Fields in reply to Bill in NC, 08-30-2005 20:51:52  
I was just going to mention that a few Suncor shares in the last year would take the sting out of gasoline prices. I have a few but not enough. BTW Suncor is testing in our area to try and decide when and if to go ahead with a 90mw wind farm.



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Michael Soldan

08-30-2005 17:25:30




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 Re: Alberta Ca Oil Fields in reply to Dave Sherburne,NY, 08-30-2005 14:10:31  
In reply, Mike A has said it. The Alberta oil sands are larger than the Saudi oil fields, the problem is getting the oil out of the sand, often referred to as the tar sands because of the thickness and extreme lack of viscosity of it. It must be heated ,originally with steam to make it more viscous and then it can be extracted. Hopefully new technology will help in the production of oil out of these tar sands. It is estimated that the area could be a large supply for a very long time , provided that a cheap and efficient process can be developed. Yes as one of our panelists has said most of our oil goes to the US and we end up paying more at the pumps than US consumers. We can't expect that oil should be sold within Canada cheaply when the world price is hovering around$70 a barrel, so in reality the high bidder gets the oil. Incidentally the province of Albert where the tar sands are gets very wealthy. Hopefully it will be the future of energy for the north American market...Mikein Exeter Ontario

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Hugh MacKay

08-30-2005 16:56:01




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 Re: Alberta Ca Oil Fields in reply to Dave Sherburne,NY, 08-30-2005 14:10:31  
Dave: I think 2nd, 3rd and 4th are quite far removed from NO. 1.



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ohioron

08-30-2005 16:45:35




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 Re: Alberta Ca Oil Fields in reply to Dave Sherburne,NY, 08-30-2005 14:10:31  
interesting, wonder how true it is?



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Rudi

08-30-2005 16:55:43




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 Re: Alberta Ca Oil Fields in reply to ohioron, 08-30-2005 16:45:35  
Geewhiz Guys:

What must we Canadians do to get your attention!!!!

Is it true - ahhh duhhh!

Has been for years and years and years. But, nobody pays any attention.

I typed up a reply to this and to the gas thread by Magman, but didn't post it cause it just gets my blood pressure up.

We are paying humongeous outrageous oil prices here in Canada because of statements like that...

Everytime I see a post on the high cost of gas, I just want to pull out my hair.

Do you know that most of our Oil and Gas is consumed by Americans.... we don't even get any ourselves -- it all goes to you, then you have the audacity to sell it back to us at outrageous prices and then say stuff like

is it true === arrrrghhhhh!

And you don't want to get me started on :

1. Mad Cow
2. Softwood Lumber
3. Tuberculosis in US Beef being exported to Canada
4. Terrorism
5. Border Security
6. Media Ignorance

and the list can go on and on....

I am pulling my hair now.....

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Paul in Mich

08-31-2005 05:47:03




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 Re: Alberta Ca Oil Fields in reply to Rudi, 08-30-2005 16:55:43  
Rudi, Im not trying to be cynical, but the short answer is if selling oil to "We Americans" south of the border (west of the border to Hugh) is s drain on the Canadian economy, then don"t sell it to us. I believe as Hugh MacKay states below that if you take all things into consideration, it pretty well washes out between Canada and the U.S. I"m sure if I dig deep enough I can create some sore spots to go the other way. We are neighbors, and for the most part, pretty darned good neighbors, and in the end, I dont think either of us takes much advantage over the other. Last time I looked, there are a whole lot of American cars being built in Canada. Its easy to see the small picture and miss the big picture. Quit beliving everything you hear on T.V. or read in the rags. It will only make your blood boil for nothing. Yes, we have to do it here stateside too.

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Rudi

08-31-2005 13:49:51




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 Re: Alberta Ca Oil Fields in reply to Paul in Mich, 08-31-2005 05:47:03  
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Paul:

I am not trying to be cynical either, nor am I being churlish, argumentative or anything else, and assuredly not insulting unlike a couple responses... just my point of view. I have a hard time believing the lack of understanding about the US's longest serving ally, it's most trusted friend, it's largest trading partner and it's family... yeah... many of us are related.

It is mind boggling... and it has confused me for nigh on 30 years -- ever since I first became the hubby of a US Citizen and moved there.....

"You wrote:

Rudi, Im not trying to be cynical, but the short answer is if selling oil to "We Americans" south of the border (west of the border to Hugh) is s drain on the Canadian economy, then don"t sell it to us."

Never said it was a drain. What I did say was that most of our resources are sent to the US. IT would be stupid not to sell it to the highest bidder... but gee, it would be nice if some stayed here. Prime example - Sable Island Natural Gas. The US giants who are much bigger fish than our Canadian companies (most of who are subsidiaries of US giants anyways) contracted the whole reserve to US buyers. We had to legislate to get the right to have access to our own resources..... that is what I meant.

Same thing with lumber - all the #1 and better gets sold stateside... we end up with the scrap... And I have 20 acres of woodlot. I can only get #1 if I saw it myself...

And we get to pay high prices for the stuff we do get.

NAFTA has ruled almost a dozen times in Canada's favour and the US has fought it every time. The tarriffs are illegal... that is the point. Just abide by the trade agreements. Not asking for special dispensation - just abide by the binding contracts - we do... in fact show me one trade agreement that Canada has violated !

"You wrote:

I believe as Hugh MacKay states below that if you take all things into consideration, it pretty well washes out between Canada and the U.S. "

Yup, it usually does, and I am one of the first to support our relationship... but what rankles is the treatment we get. Not just from Bush but even from the Governor of Colorado who used Quebec as an example of how dual languages will not work - this was his argument for not supporting Spanish as the Second Language for the US.... ahhh duhhh... when Wolfe beat Montcalm way back when and the French lost - Wolfe said to Montcalm that they could keep their language, culture, music, religion and there Napoleonic law. It still is in effect today. If I remember correctly it has been what well over 250 years that French and English has co-existed in this country without a Civil War. See where else in the world that happens. By the way, here is a little bit of trivia - I just learned this -- In 1776 when you all decided to toss out the Crown - English became the Official Language of the US -- by one vote. Had it been the other way around, you would all be speaking German.... I thought that was kind of neat..... .

Check Charles Berlitz for the info....


"You wrote:

We are neighbors, and for the most part, pretty darned good neighbors,"

Yes we are, and I thank the Lord for that, but we do have disagreements and it is perfectly alright to have them.

"You wrote:

Quit beliving everything you hear on T.V. or read in the rags. It will only make your blood boil for nothing. "

I do not believe everything I read, however - being a small woodlot owner I do know for a fact how much the lumber issue is costing us..

Being a business man (retired) I do understand the definition of a contract.....

Being a former US citizen, I understand the differences between Canada and the US as well as or maybe a little better than those in the media who try to sensationalize everything.

On the whole, it is a pretty good relationship. It certainly is.

The point of the statements was that there needs to be a little more understanding about our differences and our similarities.

Nuff said. Sometimes I just need to get some of this off of me chest.... :-)) Besides, family can disagree.. yes??

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Hugh MacKay

09-01-2005 03:06:54




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 Re: difference between Canadians and Americans in reply to Rudi, 08-31-2005 13:49:51  
Rudi: As you know I lived the first 60 years of my life in a small rural hamlet in Nova Scotia. Living in Nova Scotia, seeing an American licence plate the person was either a tourist or a relative. I now live in a small rural hamlet in SW Ontario, about 35 miles from the US border or probably less than 200 miles from 20% of the entire US population. They are in here everyday, I go to the US at least once per week, quite often more. There is probably a higher percentage of MI vehicles on ON roads than NB vehicles on NS roads. Note I did say percentage and roads as in county roads, so they are in here doing business, visiting , etc.

Now if I see another Canadian licence plate, (other than ON) it is very rare down here. You know the guy is either a tourist or a relative. Having said all this, my daughter comes here to visit and asks, " Dad, how did you find a spot to live, in Ontario, more peaceful and quiet than where you lived in NS, and this close too so many people and services." I just tell her,"I know how to pick em."

So Rudi, as far as I can tell the main differences between Canadians and Americans is some of them are tourists and some are relatives.

Oh by the way, some on either side of border belong to the Corperate Elite, I suspect they are our real problem, plus the fact politicians value their money more than our votes. We need to straighten that one out both sides of the border.

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Paul in Mich

08-31-2005 17:39:10




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 Re: Alberta Ca Oil Fields in reply to Rudi, 08-31-2005 13:49:51  
Rudi, Thanks for your well thought response to my statements. I too was not trying to be argumentive, and most of all disrespectful or insulting, and I do recognize that while we have many things in common, we are still two separate countries, therefore there are bound to be differences. I will say that it is the responsibility of Canadians to make sure that their rescources are not flittered away and unfairly kept from Canadians, rather than the responsibility of the U.S. as a customer todo so. I also agree that tariffs should be outlawed as they do nobody any good. Open markets and competition is the only fair way to trade under any circumstance.
I thik we both can agree that the media both here and in Canada have done their level best to drive a wedge between us. Heck, the media here tries to drive a wedge between me and my next door neighbor. Its just their nature, as "Good news" doesn"t sell, but "Bad news" sells like hotcakes. That said, I even ask for a second opinion when I see the score of the Redwings vs Maple leaf"s game. I guess I am cynical when it comes to the media or lawyers.
You are right, we do have similarities, as well as differences. I have noticed that between the missus and myself also. That may not be all bad either.
Lastly and perhaps mostly, while I am of German descent, Thank God for that "one vote" so that we don"t have to speak German.
Again, thanks for your reply, I enjoyed reading your perspective of things.
By the way, what old tractor ot tractors do you have? I have a 1952 Farmall H, and a 1940 Farmall A dual fuel. Regards,
Paul in Mich

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Rudi

09-01-2005 07:35:23




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 Re: Alberta Ca Oil Fields in reply to Paul in Mich, 08-31-2005 17:39:10  
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Paul:

Yup, I agree with what you and Hugh have said.....

Most of the people from the US I meet are decent, sincere, honest and upstanding people - hey they could be Canadians :-)....! And most of them are either family, or friends I haven't met yet...

My Better Half says that sometimes my perspective on things is heavily coloured, and I do agree. I have strong feelings on respect, dignity, freedom to practice my religion, my trades, my culture and to have freedom of speech. I value all of these highly. I was raised to be proud of who I am, to know who I am and to be a strong citizen.

I know my history. A brillian man once said: To know where we are going, we must know where we are and where we have been. He was a very smart man....

I am proud that I am Canadian and proud that I am a North American. I am proud that I am both of French and German descent and as the son of an immigrant, I value the freedoms and rights that we have in our nations, and I understand my responsibilities as a citizen. I would willingly put my life on the line to protect what we have. And I have - I served almost 11 years doing exactly that.

Now with all of that said.....

As for tractors - this has become probably my favourite passtime in the past 3 years. I have always loved to garden and to enjoy the fruits of our family's labours at harvest time. I just could no longer do it by hand. Needed a tractor.

My wife's uncle across the street has a 51 Cub. Fell in love with it back in 82, been longing for one ever since. in 2003 I got Ellie-Mae my 48 Cub. Then I got Jethro my 51 (he is really abused and needs a lot of TLC) and last fall before my bypass operation I got Granny my 47. Still looking for Jed.

I also have a Cub-193 Molboard Plow, Cub-189 Two Way Molboard Plow, Cub-22 Sickle Mower, McCormick-Deering Leveling and Grader Blade, Cub-144 Cultivator, IH C-2 Belly Mower, a M-H #2 (I think it is) Potato Digger (2 of em), an IH Horse-drawn Spring Tooth Harrow, and IH Horse-drawn Disc Harrow which is being modified to be used with Ellie, a home brew Snow Plow Blade, a custom built Loggin Wagon, custom built Horse Hoe (hiller), and a bunch of other stuff to play with. I am awaiting delivery of my McCormick 100 Manure Spreader. This will probably be the last piece of Cub related equipment that I buy. I still have a 5 gang belly mounted reel mower that I am building as well as improvements to my Electrolysis tanks.....

And if I don't have enough to do, I created the Cub Manual Server (www.cleancomputes.com/Cub/index.html) to keep me busy when I am not busy with restores or doing the honey do list....

I love me Cubs.....

Guys, thanks btw, sometimes I need to vent and you allowed me that privilege. Thanks.

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Hugh MacKay

08-30-2005 17:56:49




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 Re: Alberta Ca Oil Fields in reply to Rudi, 08-30-2005 16:55:43  
Rudi: Like Kent said relax, let he who is without sin cast the first stone. We have a few skeletons of our own.



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Kent in NB

08-30-2005 17:15:18




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 Re: Alberta Ca Oil Fields in reply to Rudi, 08-30-2005 16:55:43  
Rudi, just relax. At least they havn't figured out that most of their freshwater is CANADIAN MADE!



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Stickler

08-30-2005 17:46:10




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 Re: Alberta Ca Oil Fields in reply to Kent in NB, 08-30-2005 17:15:18  
and now they want to send us their polluted, zebra mussel infested water north. (ND to MB)



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Mike Androvich

08-30-2005 16:53:12




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 Re: Alberta Ca Oil Fields in reply to ohioron, 08-30-2005 16:45:35  
I think you will find that what is being talked about is not liquid oil like in the Mideast but actually oil impregnated shale or sand. Takes a lot different approach and a lot more money to get out. I have heard the same thing about the amount of reserves but getting it out is a whole different ball game.



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Harley

08-30-2005 19:25:04




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 Re: Alberta Ca Oil Fields in reply to Mike Androvich, 08-30-2005 16:53:12  
Well it just don't take much to get you going there eh hoser?



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KRUSS

08-30-2005 20:24:04




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 Re: Alberta Ca Oil Fields in reply to Harley, 08-30-2005 19:25:04  
sorry, but a lot of Rudi's comments are legit!!!!



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Harley

08-31-2005 12:33:42




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 Re: Alberta Ca Oil Fields in reply to KRUSS, 08-30-2005 20:24:04  
Oh ya I know, we're all in this together, and we all have very little say in it, I was just trying to type with a Canuck accent. Didn't work real well. Harley



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Rudi

08-31-2005 13:52:12




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 Re: Alberta Ca Oil Fields in reply to Harley, 08-31-2005 12:33:42  
Harley:

It's okay.

We is all family and in it together....



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