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jpl

08-28-2005 11:04:01




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just got a one wire alt at auto connection for my m, when i take off gen and hook up alt, where is best place to hook the one wire from alt? bat? ammeter? dont want to ruin it, its just for pulling anyway not everyday use. thanks for help. p.s. i already have 12 volt system.




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John T

08-28-2005 18:37:47




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 Re: gen to alt???? in reply to jpl, 08-28-2005 11:04:01  
jpl, if it's truly a "One Wire" Alternator as you claim and NOT a GM 10 SI 3 wire alternator and assuming youre already set up for Negative ground and this is a Negative ground alternator???? (Be sure the alternators ground (+ or -) is the same way your battery is installed ????? ???? If not post back !!!!! !!!!!

In case you havent already upgraded wire size to accommodate for maybe a 30 or 40 amp or more alternator to replace an original maybe 20 amp Generator,,,,,

Run a 10 Gauge wire from the Alternators big main output post up to the Load (NOT to battery) side of the ammeter. That is to replace the wire from the BAT terminal on the old Voltage Regulator or Cutout Relay up to the ammeters load terminal which may have only been a 12 to 14 Gauge???

Run a 10 gauge wire from the ammeters other SUPPLY side terminal to a hot ungrounded battery feed, which is often taken from the big lug on the starter switch. This is to replace the original hot supply voltage to the ammeter which may be a 12 or 14 gauge.

Again, make sure the alternators ground matches how your battery is installed and then simply upgrade a couple wires (ammeters supply feed and alternator output load circuit) from 12 or 14 Gauge up to 10 Gauge.

If youre just now switching polarity, the ammeter leads (supply and load sides) need to be swapped or it will read bass ackwards. The coil leads get swapped if you change polarity also.

John T Nordhoff in Indiana, retired electrical engineer

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jpl

08-29-2005 03:53:29




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 Re: gen to alt???? in reply to John T , 08-28-2005 18:37:47  
thanks for all your help, got the alt on, but now after looking at it, the guy who had this tractor has a 8 volt battery in it and pos grd, [auto connection claimed this was a one wire alt for hookups like tractors etc.] its a 6o amp delco with a self exciter in it. now i got to change bat, coil hookup, and use heavier wire, I understand the hookup from all your help. thinks maybe i should have had gen fixed, it was charging part time, has a new reg on it so the previous owner claims. oh well got a couple days off, not trucking south till storm over.

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F-Dean

08-28-2005 13:26:47




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 Re: gen to alt???? in reply to jpl, 08-28-2005 11:04:01  
BIG JOHN has been putting a Hitachi #14231 alternator on several tractors in place of a generator under the hood. This alternator was used on 1978-79 Nissan 620 pickup with a 2 liter engine and a 1980 Nissan 720 pickup with a 2 liter engine. At NAPA it is part #2138130. The cost of a rebuilt alternator is approximately $50 + core (And they won’t take a generator as a core). The alternator is 4 1/2" in diameter and 7" in length and will go right on the original mountings on the tractor. Use an 8" x 3/8" bolt and some pipe for spacers. Being Hitachi means that it is METRIC. You will need to drill out the mountings to 3/8". The tension adjusting bolt is also metric thread. The alternator is a three (3) wire set up which can be converted to one (1) wire. There are spade connections labeled S & L and a BAT post connection. The L spade is for the idiot light and can be disregarded. Use a jumper wire from the S spade to the BAT post and you are good to go. The pulley may be a split type that you can widen using a spacer (once again metric). You will need to use a disc type lock washer and some “Locktite” because there won't be room to reuse the split lock washer that comes with it. I put the washer between to parts of the pulley to make it fit the existing belt.
There is a built in regulator and a resister to keep the battery from feeding back to the alternator. This is a sweet fit under the hood that he has used on H's, M's and W models, also Cubs and many others. I add the following from my experience:
Be sure to switch the polarity of the battery to Negative ground to avoid damaging the Alternator.
Consequently, you need to switch the wires on the coil, if you are using a coil.
Use a plastic covered connection when you connect the jumper wire from the S spade
On a Farmall M, turning the bracket upside-down will allow the alternator to fit nicely inside the hood using the existing generator belt.

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old

08-28-2005 13:11:45




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 Re: gen to alt???? in reply to jpl, 08-28-2005 11:04:01  
Amp gauge is where I'd hook it.



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