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Super C w/low oil pressure

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Trickster

08-22-2005 14:54:25




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My Super C seems to have 1/2gauge pressue when I start it,then by 5min run time I show none.I've changed the oil and filter several times.I'm rebuilding the sleeve/rings and head this winter due to smoking under load.I,m looking for some input on whether or not this will help my pressure problem as I would prefer not to pull the crank if not needed.Thanks in advance for any input




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leon

08-23-2005 04:13:37




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 Re: Super C w/low oil pressure in reply to Trickster, 08-22-2005 14:54:25  
So, with an accurate pressure gauge and engine warmed up, what should be the engine oil pressure on a Super C at low idle, high idle rpm?



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Stan(VA).

08-24-2005 20:09:45




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 Re: Super C w/low oil pressure in reply to leon, 08-23-2005 04:13:37  
Leon,
On a tight or fairly fresh motor with the generic aftermarket 0-80PSI gauges (not exactly 'calibrated'), I like to see at least 50-60 at high idle, and something above 30 or 40 at low idle (warm). That is certainly subjective as the oil weight and speed of low idle will affect that number drastically. I consider 35-40 at high idle and 15-20 at low, a well worn motor. He said he was getting zero when warmed up, which is why everyone is recommending surgery ;)
Stan(VA).

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Stan(VA).

08-22-2005 20:51:00




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 Re: Super C w/low oil pressure in reply to Trickster, 08-22-2005 14:54:25  
'right' is as described, but I understand wanting to do an in-frame if possible. Either because of lack of funds or proper equip to split the tractor.

Either way, I would recommend doing a little more diagnostics first to determine the cause. That motor (if original block, 354898-R1/2) doesn't have cam bearings. If you know the history and the motor hasn't been messed with in the past, then check the plate on the bottom of the oil pump. It's common for them to warp and the gasket blows out between bolts (there goes your pressure).

Drop the oil pan, remove the oil pump, mill the plate flat, replace the gasket and check for obvious slack in the rods while you are there just by rocking them with your hand. You shouldn't notice any slack. Put the pan back on and check your oil pressure.

If the motor has been apart, another possibility is sloppy re-assembly. I've had 3 tractors in now that had the symptoms you described that turned out to be a combination of the oil pump plate and swapped bearing caps. The rods and mains are machined as sets and can't be swapped around.

One (a C) had number 1 and 4 rod caps swapped (rod number is stamped on the cam side of the rod and cap, make sure they match). It was in process of spinning a bearing and was a real mess. Two others (M/SM) actually had 2 of the main caps swapped. They aren't marked, so a little harder to find and straighten out, but both had play in the crankshaft (notice by pulling on the fan belt, or gently prying up on the flywheel) and one had a major rear main oil leak. On both of these tractors, correcting the main cap locations, replacing main bearings, and flattening the oil pump plate regained the oil pressure. Those were both done with the crankshaft in-place.

Further inspection is also necessary though if you find this condition. Depending on long it has been run in this state the rods will start to degrade from the extra stress on them (both large and small ends). So certainly plan on getting the rod bushings replaced when you do the sleeves (this is a good idea with crank problems or not).

Hoping you find just the warped plate ;)
Stan(VA).

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Allan in NE

08-22-2005 17:44:39




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 Re: Super C w/low oil pressure in reply to Trickster, 08-22-2005 14:54:25  
Trick,

These guys are right. If you just do the top, you are gonna have more than low oil pressure problems.

Do it right; besides, ya gotta pull those rods apart anyway to get the pistons/sleeves out. Why not just throw the mains in too and be done with it?

Allan



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El Toro

08-22-2005 16:17:34




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 Re: Super C w/low oil pressure in reply to Trickster, 08-22-2005 14:54:25  
In addition to what old recommended, you should have block degreased (cooked) to removed all the sludge and dirt. Have the oil passages cleaned and blown out too. You may do severe damage by operating the tractor with low oil pressure. Those main and rod bearings are probably worn
beyond their limits and the crankshaft may also be worn. Very critical for good oil pressure.
If it has cam bearings they need to be replaced too. Hal

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old

08-22-2005 15:47:28




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 Re: Super C w/low oil pressure in reply to Trickster, 08-22-2005 14:54:25  
Well most of the time if all you do in the top the bottom will fall out on you. Low oil preassure can be a number of things. Cam bearings, main bearings, rod bearing, or a weak oil pump. If you spend the money for the top why not add a few more $$ and do the bottom. Pull the crank and have it checked and also put in new bearings and then you know its right.



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Al in Mn

08-22-2005 18:08:42




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 Re: Super C w/low oil pressure in reply to old, 08-22-2005 15:47:28  
Make sure that your oil gauge is working properly, I once had an M with low oil pressure and all that was wrong was the oil gauge.



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Trickster

08-23-2005 11:32:11




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 Re: Super C w/low oil pressure in reply to Al in Mn, 08-22-2005 18:08:42  
Thank-you guys for your idea's



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