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differences between H and M tractors

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larry dw

08-16-2005 07:20:33




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I'm getting a hay sweep and stacker that fits an H or 300 (It was always used on a 300, it doesn't have any equipment names on it. It clamps on the axle hubs and has braces to the frame near the front of the motor.). I'm looking for tractors that would work. I'd like to be sure to have a full time pto as the sweep has it's own hydraulics. What other tractors besides the H and 300 would fit? Would a super H or super M fit or some other tractors? Since I'll probably have to buy a tractor to fit I'd like to know as many options as possible.

I have a 560 gas and know it is too wide.

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Allan in NE

08-16-2005 08:12:19




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 Re: differences between H and M tractors in reply to larry dw, 08-16-2005 07:20:33  
Larry,

That is an early Farmhand F-10 and will bolt to almost any tractor and up thru all the smaller chassis Farmalls.

It will bolt right up to your 560. You do know that you need the proper undersling mounts, don't you?

Allan

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Chad Franke

08-16-2005 09:36:55




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 Re: differences between H and M tractors in reply to Allan in NE, 08-16-2005 08:12:19  
I think that's the F10B. The A had crossed braces in the back, the C had a smaller vertical cylinder and round braces on the loader attachments and a spring "damper" mechanism.

Allan is right, they will break a tractor, I have an MD with a gas M belly pump section from just that problem. Even some chains to take some of the stress is enough, moved thousands of round bales with the MD after the belly broke, with the chains, and no problems.

Other hint that my Dad started doing, take that cylinder that is almost vertical in the back and pull it off. It has way more force than the main lift arms and you can get into a situation where that cylinder will fold the upper arm. If you want, I'll send you a picture of the 2 arms sitting in the scrap pile to show you.

It is a great loader, you will like it other than losing the 3 point, but I never had a use for a 3 point anyway.

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larry dw

08-16-2005 08:26:20




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 Re: differences between H and M tractors in reply to Allan in NE, 08-16-2005 08:12:19  
I'm learning a lot as I go along. Don't know anything about the underslung mounts. Is that something hard to modify?

I measured my 560 and the rear axles extend beyond the sides of the frame of the sweep (If I remember right the ends of axles tip to tip measures 8' 2" and the frame around 7' 8"). It seems like I'd have to remove a front bar at the ends of the front of the lift to spread the cylinders and bracing enough to back into place. I'm not sure if I'd have enough play in the cylinder and frame connections to do that.

I'd also have to slide the back wheels in as far as they could go to clear the frame. It would be darn snug!

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Allan in NE

08-16-2005 08:37:15




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 Re: differences between H and M tractors in reply to larry dw, 08-16-2005 08:26:20  
Okay, Gotcha.

These Farmhands came in three different widths. If your 560 won't fit inside, it must have the 100" axles, I would suspect.

We ran into the same problem with a wide axle H.

Back then, we could buy just the wider parts of the loader to adapt it to the tractor. That wouldn't work nowadays since these old gals are out of production.

I've uncovered my email; I can give you a toll free number to my desk and perhaps I can give you some pointers on strengthening that thing up.

I'm not kiddin' about breaking a tractor in two. This is just the beast that will do it and it is so darned easy to reinforce them to prevent the problem from happening.

Hope ya get 'er figured out,

Allan

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Allan in NE

08-16-2005 08:19:38




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 Re: differences between H and M tractors in reply to Allan in NE, 08-16-2005 08:12:19  
Forgot,

There are holes in that rear "U-iron" channel of the Farmhand that allow you to change the width of those mounting irons to fit other tractors.

Trouble is, those early mounts did nothing for support to the middle to forward part of the tractor.

I strongly suggest you beef up the forward mounting as these things will snap a tractor right in two if you are using that large hay basket.

Allan

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larry dw

08-16-2005 07:48:27




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 Re: differences between H and M tractors in reply to larry dw, 08-16-2005 07:20:33  
I do have a picture but can"t figure out how to attach it to the post! Any suggestions?



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Allan in NE

08-16-2005 07:53:16




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 Re: differences between H and M tractors in reply to larry dw, 08-16-2005 07:48:27  
Larry,

Left side of this page. Upload it to the implement photos section. Just follow the prompts.

Allan



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PAULIH300

08-16-2005 07:49:58




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 Re: differences between H and M tractors in reply to larry dw, 08-16-2005 07:48:27  
You need a server like Photobucket.com to host the image.



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larry dw

08-16-2005 08:06:35




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 Re: differences between H and M tractors in reply to PAULIH300, 08-16-2005 07:49:58  
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Hopefully here's the picture!



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larry dw

08-16-2005 08:18:56




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 Re: differences between H and M tractors in reply to larry dw, 08-16-2005 08:06:35  
Sorry I haven't posted pictures before!

The sweep is on the implement photose but you have to view the album to bring it up. I somehow miss a step so you could click directly to it.

Hope this helps!



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Allan in NE

08-16-2005 07:34:05




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 Re: differences between H and M tractors in reply to larry dw, 08-16-2005 07:20:33  
Larry,

That sure sounds like a Farmhand. Got a picture of it?

Allan



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Harley

08-16-2005 10:15:49




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 Re: differences between H and M tractors in reply to Allan in NE, 08-16-2005 07:34:05  
Larry, git this old hard clay farmer to show you some pictures of his on his H. You can see how he reinforced it under the tractor to hold things together. Be safe, Harley



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