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Yugrotcart

08-12-2005 19:20:22

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I have access to a diesel/gasoline fuel mixture. It would be mostly diesel with some gas in it. My company pays to have it hauled away and as I see it, my Distalite W6 should run on it.Thoughts?

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Hugh MacKay

08-14-2005 03:20:54

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Re: Cheap Fuel in reply to Yugrotcart, 08-12-2005 19:20:22

Yugrotcart: If you get more than you need, you have my e mail and you aren't that far away. My suspicions are you probably will haul this right by me. The product does have value.

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John M

08-13-2005 11:35:46

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Re: Cheap Fuel in reply to Yugrotcart, 08-12-2005 19:20:22

Im with Cowman,IF you have the distillate/kerosene manifold.When I was younger,all we farmed with was old stuff.I remember Dad and my uncle mixing gas,kerosene and diesel together,1/2 gas-1/4 diesel and 1/4 kerosene.Why I dont know,but they did,you could rech down and turn off the switch,once it got good and hot,and it would keep on running as long as you kept it hot and working.

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John M

08-13-2005 11:35:43

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Re: Cheap Fuel in reply to Yugrotcart, 08-12-2005 19:20:22

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Dellbertt

08-13-2005 08:30:31

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Re: Cheap Fuel in reply to Yugrotcart, 08-12-2005 19:20:22

Where did nattemp get the idea that a distillate tractor runs on gasoline. And what kind of a company has barrels of diesel/gas mixture sitting around.

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CNKS

08-13-2005 17:56:28

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Re: Cheap Fuel in reply to Dellbertt, 08-13-2005 08:30:31

A lot of us have letter series tractors with distillate or kerosene engines -- 99.997% of us run them on gasoline.

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Yugrotcart

08-13-2005 09:42:40

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Re: Cheap Fuel in reply to Dellbertt, 08-13-2005 08:30:31

I work for a fuel distibutor, hence the product is available to me at no charge. When a tank is to be reconditioned the remaining product in the tank is pumped into a holding tank. Water/crud seperates to the bottom,gas to the top. I thought if I pumped product from the middle of the tank, through a filter it might be useable.
As you say, where did the idea come from that a distillate tractor runs on gas. A previous post suggests that distillate and diesel have the same properties.

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Nebraska Cowman

08-13-2005 04:50:56

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Re: Cheap Fuel in reply to Yugrotcart, 08-12-2005 19:20:22

Oh yeah, I'd take all I could get. depending how much gas is in it yes, run it in a distilate tractor, as-is or add more gas. or if does not have too much gas you might add it to fresh diesel and use it as winter diesel fuel.

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Yugrotcart

08-13-2005 09:30:05

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Re: Cheap Fuel in reply to Nebraska Cowman, 08-13-2005 04:50:56

Now we are getting somewhere. Your are suggesting it might work then.

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mitchp

08-12-2005 20:26:49

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Re: Cheap Fuel in reply to Yugrotcart, 08-12-2005 19:20:22

Theres been alot of this type of discussion on the JD board as far as running as gas/diesel mixture in the all fuel deeres. Yeah the W6 will probably run on it, diesel is a combustion fuel and will not spark like gas or kerosene, chances are alot of it could end up in your motor oil. The closest to distillate you'll find now is Kerosene which will work just fine in your farmall.

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Yugrotcart( from Japan)

08-12-2005 20:32:12

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Re: Cheap Fuel in reply to mitchp, 08-12-2005 20:26:49

Thanks for your straight answer. It was just a thought.

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T_Bone

08-13-2005 04:30:00

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Re: Cheap Fuel in reply to Yugrotcart( from Japan), 08-12-2005 20:32:12

Hi Yugrotcart,

Quotes from my combustion engineer handbook:

Distillate oil= oil separated from crude oil by fractional distillation.

Diesel fuel= a distillate oil very simular to #2 fuel oil.

Kerosene= a light liquid petroleum fuel, a constituent in #1 and #2 fuel oils.
(end quote)

If you look at the properites of #2 distillate oil and #2diesel, there almost identical.

If you look at the properites of #1 distillate oil, #1diesel and kerosene, there almost identical.

Diesel engines don't know the different between #2 distillate or #2diesel fuel, nor do they know the difference between #1 distillate or kerosene or #1diesel.

So why have the different fuel types? Because a controlled combustion processes that use a metering orifice for fuel and oxygen can tell the difference.

My only concern would be how much gasoline does the diesel contain? Known mixtures of 20%gasoline with #2D work well in a IDI diesel engine without any problems.

I would think you could use a paint viscosity filter paper and compare to a known sample of #2D to find approx how much gasoline the diesel contains and use filtered motor oil to adjust for the viscosity difference.

T_Bone

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Yugrotcart

08-13-2005 09:47:24

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Re: Cheap Fuel in reply to T_Bone, 08-13-2005 04:30:00

So if the properties are the same distillate/diesel, the question would be the amount of gas in it. The product that is avaible to me is kept in a holding tank. The diesel would be on the bottom of the tank, and the gas would settle to the top. If I took product from the middle of the tank, there would be very little gasoline.

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T_Bone

08-13-2005 10:35:11

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Re: Cheap Fuel in reply to Yugrotcart, 08-13-2005 09:47:24

Hi Yugrotcart,

The gasoline and diesel will mix very easy as they came from the same source. You would have a gas vapor additive smell on the top but no liquid gasoline.

I would guess if you were extremely careful when the gasoline was dumped on top of the diesel, you might get a layer of liquid gasoline, but doubtful.

I never let a diesel/gas sit for extended times so there could be some separation of a small amount. I have burnt alot of diesel/gasoline mix in one of my diesel engines without any type of separation.

You noitce that I was careful not to use the word never. LOL anything is possible.

Water on the other hand will be at the bottom as you stated.

T_Bone

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El Toro

08-13-2005 04:45:47

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Re: Cheap Fuel in reply to T_Bone, 08-13-2005 04:30:00

We ran diesel's on JP4 jet fuel too. It doesn't wax up like DF2. Hal

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P Backus

08-12-2005 21:02:59

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Re: Cheap Fuel in reply to Yugrotcart( from Japan), 08-12-2005 20:32:12

What"re you doing over there? I"m going to bed, I don"t care if it is three in the afternoon there!
Paul

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jossette

08-12-2005 21:08:44

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Re: Cheap Fuel in reply to P Backus, 08-12-2005 21:02:59

that would put you in england right?

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Yugrotcart

08-12-2005 21:08:01

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Re: Cheap Fuel in reply to P Backus, 08-12-2005 21:02:59

Bed? I can't be doing that just yet, the wifes not asleep yet..... ..... .

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jossette

08-12-2005 21:25:47

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Re: Cheap Fuel in reply to Yugrotcart, 08-12-2005 21:08:01

all the better reason to go.( isnt it?))

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Yugrotcart

08-12-2005 21:36:09

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Re: Cheap Fuel in reply to jossette, 08-12-2005 21:25:47

Naaaaa aaaaa, wife and I don't get along so good,
think I'll wait til she's asleep..... .....

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jossette

08-12-2005 21:39:14

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Re: Cheap Fuel in reply to Yugrotcart, 08-12-2005 21:36:09

I should feel lucky. I kicked mine out to wyoming to visit the outlaws..

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P Backus

08-12-2005 19:59:30

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Re: Cheap Fuel in reply to Yugrotcart, 08-12-2005 19:20:22

Geez, I"m kind of with you on this one, yugrotcart. What is distillate anyway? I always thought it was kind of like a diesel/
kerosene thing. I don"t think it would hurt the valves. If anything, I"d think it would help preserve the top end, as it would be more oily. The engine would have to be good and hot to burn it well, that"s why they had shutters. Maybe you could become a supplier for this "blended" fuel and retire early!
Paul

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Yugrotcart

08-12-2005 20:16:54

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Re: Cheap Fuel in reply to P Backus, 08-12-2005 19:59:30

I saw it the way you do Paul. When diesel fuel jells, we add kerosene or stove oil to it to thin it out. I was just throwing an idea out.
I guess we all aren't as smart as Nattemp, but someday maybe.

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Nattemp

08-12-2005 19:48:43

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Re: Cheap Fuel in reply to Yugrotcart, 08-12-2005 19:20:22

Uh huh... and as I see it, my kerosene H should run on pure water... except it doesn't, and neither will your Distillate W6 on mostly diesel fuel.

Sorry to sound so crass, but what logic prompted you to think that a mixture that's mostly DIESEL would run in a GASOLINE engine? Diesel doesn't atomize in a carburetor. Diesel doesn't explode like gasoline. The compression is way too low. It'll run like crap if it runs at all.

If it's mostly diesel, it'll work better in a diesel engine, though I don't know what the gas will do to the injector pump.

Don't you think that if this stuff your employer "pays to have hauled away" were useful, he'd be using it?

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Yugrotcart

08-12-2005 20:19:29

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Re: Cheap Fuel in reply to Nattemp, 08-12-2005 19:48:43

Bet your one of those guys that smokes while you fill your diesel truck because diesel doesn't explode like gas, right?

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jossette

08-12-2005 20:27:38

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Re: Cheap Fuel in reply to Yugrotcart, 08-12-2005 20:19:29

easy now,,easy!!

opinions vary. Some good,,,some bad..

But some of them leak through your underware and run down your leg.

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jossette

08-12-2005 19:26:54

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Re: Cheap Fuel in reply to Yugrotcart, 08-12-2005 19:20:22

you may want to order new valves now. It wont be long after that...

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