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Walt Stein

08-11-2005 13:48:29




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Years ago "1976 ' I retro fitted my IH460 [c221 engine]utility with a Zenith 389511R92 [OEM 13021A] carburetor per an IH service bulletin .This service bulletin also included the IH 606 . This carb has a vacuum operated accelerator pump . I now need to replace it because of a damaged bowl . I have a repir kit an the restorograph refers to the numbers 63,63m,and 263m series . Obiviously this carburetor was used on other applications . Does anyone have any info in regards to this carburetor . Does a 560 carb work ? THanks WAlt from the frozen north

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ChadS

08-11-2005 14:55:12




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 Re: IH 460 carb problem in reply to Walt Stein , 08-11-2005 13:48:29  
Ive seen those carbs on the C-200 gas engine, also on the 666 row crop tractors, we looked high and low for a kit and found one. I have one of these carbs ready to go if you need one. A 560 carb will bolt on too, you may have to retro fit the gas line and choke cable mounts, to go back to the old carb. A carb off of a 303 IH combine is a replacement of the 460 carbs, same venturi and jetting as the 221. Hope this helps, I have a picture of the carb if you need it for identification. Chad

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Walt Stein

08-12-2005 04:33:33




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 Re: IH 460 carb problem in reply to ChadS, 08-11-2005 14:55:12  
Hello Chad , Thanks for your reply . Is the Brass Id tag still on your carb ? If so ;do the numbers coincide with the numbers I've provided ? Would appreciate your sending me a pic . I'm definitely interested in your carb ,if in fact, it is the correct one . One recognizable feature ,is that the fuel line ,attaches to the forward side of the the carb . I've found original issue carbs ,however, as you mentioned ,the trac then requires re modifying the installation . Also, the reason ,for the upgrade, was to eliminate the stumbling ,which occured with power changes . Was apparently a chronic problem of particular engines of the same displacement . Thanks Again and will be looking forward to your reply . WALT wpstein98@aol.com

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ChadS

08-12-2005 07:11:16




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 Re: IH 460 carb problem in reply to Walt Stein, 08-12-2005 04:33:33  
Ill take a few photos and post them right here. The OEM carbs are a good carb, but each engine has its own characteristics in why they do the erratic things they do. I admit, the better carb like the one you speak solves about 90% of the problems, but, you could build that 460-560 carb to perform perfectly. it takes the right venturi, and fuel jetting to eliminate the famous IH 6 cyl stutter, Ive built Shebler carbs to work very well on these engines and have no stutter, just takes a little time to put it all together, and understand your particular engines specs,, like compression pressure, and knowing if there is any leaks of any kind that will create erratic conditions that these engines suffer from. Ill post the photo before the weekend it out. If you do want to build the OEM shebler carb, Ill tell you how to do it step by step. Chad

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Walt Stein

08-12-2005 13:04:09




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 Re: IH 460 carb problem in reply to ChadS, 08-12-2005 07:11:16  
Hello Chad ' Would appreciate you posting those pics . Just got an Emessage from "Yesterdays " stores that the 13021 was replaced by 11722 . Unbelievable !
Would like to do some more searching, before going the Marvel Schebler route . May become my only alternative . I appreciate your interest an assistance . How adaptable is a 560 carb ? What is the 560 displacement ? LATER WALT

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ChadS

08-13-2005 08:17:44




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 Re: IH 460 carb problem in reply to Walt Stein, 08-12-2005 13:04:09  
The 560 carb will bolt right on the manifold, they had a 263 cubic inch displacement. The 560 carb venturi is a little bigger than the OEM 460,, which is ok. The governor linkage should be the same on both carbs as fas as location, If not it dont take much to make the linkage. I am for sure I have this carb. It is aluminum, the one I have, has 2 fuel outlets, for fuel line location, one is plugged, other has the fuel inlet. Ill run to the shop today and get the pictures taken. The reason the OEM carbs have a stutter in them is due to the main jets not being big enough to fully feed the metering stem with the right amount of fuel, until it revs up and gets the fuel flowing through the system. It is critical to make sure the manifold does not have vacuum leaks for the sheblers to work correctly. Also the ignition has to be in good shape. I built a IH 460 pulling tractor, a work that has taken 2 years+ going on now, It has a 706 engine in it. Ive gone through everything on it in the engine, to get the most power, and run the best that it can. Getting that famous IH stutter out of it was the hardest part to try and fix. On my engine, a C-263 gas, I had a combination of problems creating the hesitiation upon acceleration, the distributor was not in the best of shape, and the carb was not feeding it enough fuel, once I got the carb rejetted, and the timing just right, it ran like a sewing machine. It picked up a few more HP too. But, I run about 5000 rpms on it too,,, but still runs good in the lower rpms. I tried the zenith carb on it, and it was ok, ran good, and did not stutter, thats when I thought more along the line of a carb problem that was creating it. Keep watch, ill post the pictures of the carb I have, Hope this helps with why they do, the things they do. Chad

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Walt Stein

08-15-2005 13:41:09




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 Re: IH 460 carb problem in reply to ChadS, 08-13-2005 08:17:44  
Hi Chad , Read your last posting and will be watching for the pics . Have still got numerous searches in the works ,for a duplicate carb . I've also located a carburetor rebuilder ,whom is familiar with this particular carb and says he can probably repair it . Your theory, that ,insufficient fuel during the beginning of acceleration is I'm sure correct . Dont know why IH didnt incoporate an accelerator pump in all their carbs . Sure seems like it would have been a real simple way to have made their engines less critical to other factors when power see saws back and forth. In past years, I used this track for square baling ,and for loader ops. It always performed flawlessly . WALT

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