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IH 300 U for Haying?

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Mark(PA)

08-07-2005 08:52:42




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Hi All

I am looking for a tractor to do some haying on my small farm (about 35 acres) At this point in time all i wish to do is bale the hay next year myself.

I found a 300 U locally (seems to be in good order) and I am wondering if that is a good machine for using say a 9" haybine and IH 46 or like baler and wagon setup?

We have some rolling hills but obviously nothing major.

Will it have enough power to do that? My concern is I have never used a Utility to do that type of work and didn"t know if the gearing or what not might differ than say a typical row crop type 300?

I guess on the flip side I would also eventually like to use it for doing some plowing to plant corn. Not sure how it would handle that???

Thanks for your help.

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Colorado Curt

08-08-2005 08:11:18




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 Re: IH 300 U for Haying? in reply to Mark(PA), 08-07-2005 08:52:42  
I can remember baling with my grandfather using a 300U, JD14T and pulling a wagon. It handled it with no problems. Mowing may be more difficult since the ute cannot turn as sharp.



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john d

08-07-2005 19:15:33




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 Re: IH 300 U for Haying? in reply to Mark(PA), 08-07-2005 08:52:42  
If it's in good shape, it'll easily handle the chores you've mentioned.

We had one that we used on a hay chopper back in the 50s and 60s. Just make certain you don't have anything sticking down from the drawbar area - extra pins, whatever - that can start accumulating hay and bunching it up close to the exhaust. We almost set a hayfield and tractor on fire that way once. After one season in the hayfield, we turned the exhaust manifold outlet pipe over and ran the exhaust up through the hood.

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Hugh MacKay

08-08-2005 03:38:27




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 Re: IH 300 U for Haying? in reply to john d, 08-07-2005 19:15:33  
john d: Oh the perrils of those underneath exhaust systems. M-F dealer talked my dad into trying a 135 out on demo. This was a gas model, and dad decided to give it a good test on NH S-69 baler with thrower and wagon. We had a field of hay, 6 to 8 windrows had been rained on and center of field was mowed after the rain, thus was ready for baling first. Those rained on windrows were all flufed up fot drying, and dad had to straddle the last one baling the new mowed hay. Being used to the old Farmall 300 with 13.6x38 tires dad never had to concern himself much about hay piling up under tractor let alone going on fire.

My brother and I were on way to field with another tractor and wagon and could see what dad hadn't noticed, hay piling up under the M-F, then we saw smoke and finally it came free. The baler missed it and wagon went over the smoking hay. When it came out from under wagon it burst into flames. Dad still never noticed, too wraped up in this new tractor and his baling. When he turned at end of field he quite quickly saw my brother trying to beat out the fire with tree limbs we were able to break off a nearby tree. Dad joined us and by the time we got the fire out close to a 1/4 acre of hay was burned.

I think the M-F dealers face was almost as red as the fire, when he came for his tractor. Dad always enjoyed giving folks a hard time as it allpied to any shortcomings. Of course the underneath exhaust system was the problem, but dad never let the M-F dealer know or accept that. He said if the damn tractor wasn't so low to the ground, hay wouldn't have piled up in the first place. He quickly pointed out it had never happened in 10 years using Farmall 300 or 560.

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wolfman

08-07-2005 18:11:44




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 Re: IH 300 U for Haying? in reply to Mark(PA), 08-07-2005 08:52:42  
The 300 U will do the work. It was the most rugged, heaviest utility of it's day. However, to run one all day haying,etc., I'd pay twice as much for the comfort & ease of handling of the Farmall model where you sit up and can see your implement. My 2 cents.



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Mark(PA)

08-07-2005 17:06:27




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 Re: IH 300 U for Haying? in reply to Mark(PA), 08-07-2005 08:52:42  
Hi Guys

I want to say thanks for all these answers and great info! Man this sight is awesome and you folks who take a minute to answer make it all possible.

I wouldn't mind finding a row crop 300 but at this moment the budget is somewhat limited! So I might just have to TRY to work a deal and what is avaliable close to me! I dream of the day I can buy a 1206 Diesel to restore for just taking to tractor shows! Oh well! keep dreaming for now and maybe find a good old farmall to help me do the work at hand.

Thank you all once again. I'll let you know what I make out... and I'll be sure to post pics of whatever I do eventually end up with.

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REDEYE

08-07-2005 12:35:30




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 Re: IH 300 U for Haying? in reply to Mark(PA), 08-07-2005 08:52:42  
back in the day the 300u was the only tractor with ipto that we had to use on about 50 acres. ran a 9" new holland 488 with it no problems. puled a NH super 77 baler and later a NH 68 baler with it, again no problem. when the transmission went out of the truck, hauled tandom pickup bed trailers full of firewood out of the mountain to home 10 miles, very hilly no problems. pulled 3-16 plow about anywhere you wanted in 2nd and if the ground was loose you could roll right along in 3rd, but it would really make it snort. only problem was one year got no rain and the ground was so hard that when you did get the plow in had to drop back to 1st to pull it, and that was a 3-14 john deere trailer as it plowed a lot better than the 3-16 3pt in hard dry ground. lets see dug a fondation for a shed, disc, planted, picked corn, pulled an old MH 46 clipper combine, and honestly i dont think that there is anything i havent done that i didnt use that 300u for at some point in time. only bad thing i can say about that tractor is that it is the absolute hardest steering tractor i have ever came across, im sure that the ones with PS are no prob, but if there manual you are in for a heck of a workout.

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PAULIH300

08-07-2005 14:15:40




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 Re: IH 300 U for Haying? in reply to REDEYE, 08-07-2005 12:35:30  
Is there anything a Ute cant do? (yes,steer easily!).



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Jason Simmerman

08-07-2005 12:30:42




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 Re: IH 300 U for Haying? in reply to Mark(PA), 08-07-2005 08:52:42  
My dad runs a 9ft haybine with his Farmall M which is punched over with Super M sleeves and pistons. It doesn't have any problems at all. I imagine you would be ok running a 9 ft haybine. Usually my dad can mow in 2nd with the M and it runs it great, the limiting factor is the mower plugging up.



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Hugh MacKay

08-07-2005 12:29:01




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 Re: IH 300 U for Haying? in reply to Mark(PA), 08-07-2005 08:52:42  
Mark: To me this discussion seems rather amusing. We're talking 300, now if it's Farmall or Utility not great bit of difference other than Farmall had much better steering, cast rear wheels and larger tires gave it much better traction. I ask myself why anyone would want to sit straddle the transmission of a utility on a hot day. Get a row crop and enjoy the fresh air. By the way 95% of 300 did have IPTO.

My dad bought a new Farmall 300 in 1955 for use on the dairy farm. By the early 1960s it along with two other smaller tractors were doing up 30,000 bales of hay per year. 300 pulled a 9' haybine and baler with thrower and 20' wagons. We did have some hills, but I've never seen one bother the 300 yet. In fact that old 300 baled 4,000+ bales per day on many ocasions.

If you were to ask me if I would buy one today the answer is NO. Might buy one to look at or take to shows, but never to try and work some land. 300s were great tractors, but they are heavy drinkers, at todays fuel prices they will take you to the poor house. There are all kinds of 35 hp diesels out there will do your work so much more efficiently. Yes they may be a bit more money but they are worth it.

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Nat

08-07-2005 11:45:02




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 Re: IH 300 U for Haying? in reply to Mark(PA), 08-07-2005 08:52:42  
Unless you're on really flat ground, a 9-foot haybine is going to be a little much for it.



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MN Scott

08-07-2005 16:00:54




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 Re: IH 300 U for Haying? in reply to Nat, 08-07-2005 11:45:02  
My dad had a 53 super H on a 9ft NH haybine in the 70's into the early 80's. It had no trouble pulling it on our rolling ground here in SE MN. Most of the time we cruised right along in 3rd gear in heavy alfalfa. I would think a 300 would have no trouble either unless your climbing mountain sized hills.



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TDK

08-07-2005 11:31:57




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 Re: IH 300 U for Haying? in reply to Mark(PA), 08-07-2005 08:52:42  
Mark, the 300U is 42 pto hp and about the right size tractor for your needs, can't say about the haybine though as I've never used one. A 300 is all we had on 32 acres until '85 and it did the work very well, 2-14 plow, 7' disk, NH 271 baler. Ours did have P/S with no IPTO or T/A. Baling without IPTO is no big deal when you get used to it, though I'd recommend a tractor with it. Most the 300U's I've seen and the ones we now have do have it. Power steering is a big plus and the T/A is handy when baling also. Let us know what you find.

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jim parker

08-07-2005 11:18:52




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 Re: IH 300 U for Haying? in reply to Mark(PA), 08-07-2005 08:52:42  
mark i have a 300U it has been a wonderful tractor .my dad bought this for me when i graduated in 1956 i drove this tractor to our farm 12 miles from the dealership.we raised potatoes-sweet corn-soybeans and wheat.the tractor has spinout wheels-power steering-live power PTO-cigar lighter.at this time it has 1688hours on the tach.the TA was rebuilt at 900hours 20year old at that time .i use the tractor now for show and tractor tours thank you from a proud 300U owner jim from michigan

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rumplestiltskin

08-12-2005 19:56:16




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 Re: IH 300 U for Haying? in reply to jim parker, 08-07-2005 11:18:52  
Hi, Uncle Jim.

I knew it was you after I read your first sentence; didn't even need to see your name.

Please give Aunt Betty my best.

Mark W.
Rockford, MI



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Mike Van

08-07-2005 09:25:51




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 Re: IH 300 U for Haying? in reply to Mark(PA), 08-07-2005 08:52:42  
I had one [300 U ] years back, worst thing was it didn't have live pto. If you had to stop for a real thick spot or a broken bale, you had to kick it into neutral, let the baler catch up, then clutch - when everything stopped, you could get it in gear and go again, sometimes 3 ft, do it all over. I wouldn't do this again, live pto or nothing. The 9' haybine will be o.k. if your land isn't too steep, 2 bottom plow, 7' harrow is about it. I would try for more tractor if I was you, with live pto. Just my 2 cents.

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Loren

08-07-2005 10:57:49




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 Must be a different tractor. in reply to Mike Van , 08-07-2005 09:25:51  
They have independant pto, one of the features I like the most.



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old

08-07-2005 09:58:19




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 Re: IH 300 U for Haying? in reply to Mike Van , 08-07-2005 09:25:51  
You most have had an odd one then every one I have seen had live PTO



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Mike Van

08-07-2005 10:02:35




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 Re: IH 300 U for Haying? in reply to old, 08-07-2005 09:58:19  
I don't know what year it was, had a loader too. Hardest thing I ever steered, used to take it off for haying, wasn't a "quick attach" either. No TA, either. It got the job done, but when I traded it in '75 for the 574 it was like going from the Wright Bros. to NASA.



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300Randy

08-09-2005 05:36:37




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 Re: IH 300 U for Haying? in reply to Mike Van , 08-07-2005 10:02:35  
Your right about the hard steering. I mow 6 acres with a front end loader on. Didn't renew my membership at the health club because I get such a good workout driving my 300U.



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old

08-07-2005 10:08:23




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 Re: IH 300 U for Haying? in reply to Mike Van , 08-07-2005 10:02:35  
The steering on them does seem to be a problem. A friend of mine has a 300U and it steers hard also. His has a TA and also has live pto. It also has been set up with 3 point instead of just the normall set up.



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old

08-07-2005 09:06:06




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 Re: IH 300 U for Haying? in reply to Mark(PA), 08-07-2005 08:52:42  
It should do alright its around 35HP



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