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Milling Farmall M head, How mutch?

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WK

08-03-2005 11:12:13




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Any one happen to know how mutch can be taken off on an M head to bump up the compresion, still leaving some material for future milling? I dont want to take off more than I should, but I want some more power.
Thanks for any advice




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ChadS

08-03-2005 15:31:41




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 Re: Milling Farmall M head, How mutch? in reply to WK, 08-03-2005 11:12:13  
You should be able to take off .125 pretty easy, if its never been milled before, Try to keep the head plate thickness no thinner than .300. Yeah, Ive seen up to .375 off some heads. but they were the old kerosine heads, they are thicker than the gas heads. Have it checked for cracks first before milling, and keep that thickness in mind, do go beyond .300 thin! Especially if its a 8060 head. Mite be good for 3-5 hp at .125,,, or you could find a 450 gas head and cam to put in it and really wake up your M. The 450 has a higher compression head, bigger ports, and has a cam to match the head. ChadS

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WK

08-04-2005 10:31:10




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 Re: Milling Farmall M head, How mutch? in reply to ChadS, 08-03-2005 15:31:41  
Hay thanks Chad. I might try to find a 450 head and cam. Can I use the same intake?
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ChadS

08-04-2005 16:07:26




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 Re: Milling Farmall M head, How mutch? in reply to WK, 08-04-2005 10:31:10  
You could use the M manifold, or if you really want, order a new one from TISCO, they offer what is called a Vinson manifold. id think any persons who sell aftermarket new parts can get this style of manifold, it is a universal M-450 manifold, The intake ports are bigger, and straighter than the M-450 stock manifold, and you can get them for about the cost of a new manifold, maybe less if you know where to look. I used one on a Super M with a 4-1/8th X 6 inch stroker, and made 5 more hp with the vinson manifold, VS the stock SM manifold. Good Luck, Work on making combinations to make the compression higher in your engine, you can run it about 210-220 psi of compression and still work it in the fields, play, or whatever,, Good luck. ChadS

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WK

08-04-2005 17:23:33




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 Re: Milling Farmall M head, How mutch? in reply to ChadS, 08-04-2005 16:07:26  
Thanks so mutch for the info. I am realy looking forward to this M. I will look for one of those heads, and one of the intakes. Do you happen to know the casting numbers for the 450 head? I would not know how to tell one apart from the M head.
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ChadS

08-05-2005 06:34:31




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 Re: Milling Farmall M head, How mutch? in reply to WK, 08-04-2005 17:23:33  
Ill give you a description on what to look for for indentifying them without the casting number. Look at the compression chamber, the old M heads along the side, are straight along the sides, the newer heads, have an indention along one side of the chamber, like a slanted wall, this was done so IH could use firecrater pistons in these engines. A real good cyl head to look for is a 8574 casting, these are from a Super M, and are identical tothe 400-450 heads, but still has the old 4 digit casting code, the new heads have like a 6 digit code, and always started with a 361??? or something along that line, Ih upgraded their engines as they got newer, and it all started with the Super M,, different internal casting on the block, bigger sleeves for a larger bore, a differnt crank, which was bigger on the rod and main journals, but still can interchange with the M blocks, the head and cam are a matched set, they gave the cams more lift and duration, as well as increase the compression in the chamber, See, the new style heads,, the valves are longer, so the head castings were shallower therefore increased compression by the chamber not being so deep in the head from the short valves. Also, this allowed more room in the ports of the head to be larger and more open thru the intake runners, since the top of the compression chamber was moved down towards the block,, the casting was more open, and made room for more area in the ports. ChadS

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dej(JED)

08-03-2005 11:22:36




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 Re: Milling Farmall M head, How mutch? in reply to WK, 08-03-2005 11:12:13  
WK- I had 1/2 inch removed from mine. It pulled better and has given me no problems.



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jakee

08-03-2005 15:25:48




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 Re: Milling Farmall M head, How mutch? in reply to dej(JED), 08-03-2005 11:22:36  
.500----- ??



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