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McDiesel

07-28-2005 23:21:15




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My 1066 is getting compresion in the radiator. It has had a recent over haul. It was over hauled because of that problem. The head was sent to a machine shop to be crack checked, and that come back good. But still getting compresion in the radiator. Just took the head off this week and got it crack checked again and they say it's not cracked. There is never water in the pan. The head gasket was'nt leaking any where. Any body got any idea what it could be?

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McDiesel

07-29-2005 09:54:16




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 Re: What is the problem? in reply to McDiesel, 07-28-2005 23:21:15  
Thanks guys for the replies. The tractor was completly over hauled. I helped with it and paid the bill. The injecter sleves were all new at the time. The head was'nt preasure checked this time but im sure it was the first time. Immidelety after the over haul it did'nt have the problem. There is less than 500 hours on the overhaul. It is hydro so it don't get used in the field, just loader and snowblower. The only time it has to work hard is on the silage bagger and that when the problem shows up. thanks

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RAS

07-29-2005 08:02:48




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 Re: What is the problem? in reply to McDiesel, 07-28-2005 23:21:15  
This has happened to many times. Drain all the coolant and pull the injectors & replace the injector sleeves. I know its hard to believe just think about it. The coolant system is 15 PSI so it will not show a leak. The compression in the cylinders is 375 Psi or higher it will cause compression in the cooling system. It happened to me and it about drove me nuts till it was the last thing we checked. Have seen it many times.

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El Toro

07-29-2005 07:23:18




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 Re: What is the problem? in reply to McDiesel, 07-28-2005 23:21:15  
Are you sure the sleeves were replaced or just did a ring and valve job? Could have a pin hole in a sleeve. Hal



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Allan in NE

07-29-2005 07:33:00




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 Re: What is the problem? in reply to El Toro, 07-29-2005 07:23:18  
Hal,

Sure smells that way, don't it? Or, maybe just a valve job and call it an "overhaul"? :>)

Allan



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El Toro

07-29-2005 08:55:35




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 Re: What is the problem? in reply to Allan in NE, 07-29-2005 07:33:00  
Allan, That wouldn't surprise me on a valve job. Glad you sent some of that cool weather east. The corn and soybean crop looks to be very good here in MD.

Once you lose that rust inhibitor in your cooling system it will work on freeze plugs
and probably on sleeves too. Permanent doesn't mean forever. Drain and flush the cooling ststem
and install new antifreeze every other year. Hal

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captaink

07-29-2005 07:06:18




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 Re: What is the problem? in reply to McDiesel, 07-28-2005 23:21:15  
When you say compression, I知 guessing that you are seeing more pressure in the radiator than you should get from a pressurized cap, and/or you are seeing bubbles in the water when it is running. I知 also going to presume that the head was pressure checked with air for cracks not just magna-fluxed. If it wasn稚 pressure checked, have that done as it will show more than just a magna-flux.

That being said, somewhere between the combustion chamber and the cooling system is where the problem lies. My thought is that if it were the oil cooler, there would be oil in the water since the cooling system runs at about 15 psi and the oil system runs at 60 plus psi.

You have checked the head, how about the block and where the sleeves set into the deck of the block? Lay the gasket on the block and then look for areas where the compression gas still has access to the surfaces of the sleeves and block and check those areas closely for cracks or signs of compression sneaking by. It is also possible that there is a crack in the block or a sleeve or where the two meet that may not be seen by the naked eye. Remember, the pressures inside the combustion chamber exceed 100 psi, and the cooling system less than 15 psi, which can in theory allow compression gasses into the cooling system, but not necessarily allow water to pass through.

Another thing to check is for stretched or weakened head bolts that are allowing the head to rise up a bit allowing the leak.

You have a tough one here since it appears you have already checked the most obvious places for a leak. Please post back when you find the answer.

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Allan in NE

07-29-2005 06:53:25




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 Re: What is the problem? in reply to McDiesel, 07-28-2005 23:21:15  
Mc,

Those things are notorious for pitting the liners. Did they put new sleeves in when they "overhauled" it?

Allan



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IA Gary

07-29-2005 02:53:33




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 Re: What is the problem? in reply to McDiesel, 07-28-2005 23:21:15  
You could have a leak in your oilcooler



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