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Dave in CT

07-27-2005 03:49:33




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I just started my education on spraying paint with a compressor and siphon paint gun. Not getting the fine consistant spray I was hoping for. What make and model guns have folks successfully used? I see listings in the Northern Tool catalog for gravity feed guns and I'm imagining they work better but would like some feedback before I buy one. I'll be spraying oil-based tractor paint with a little hardener mixed in. Perhaps some day I'll graduate to the PPG stuff but for now that's a little too rich for my blood.

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Dave NE IA

07-27-2005 17:59:13




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 Re: Paint Gun recommendations in reply to Dave in CT, 07-27-2005 03:49:33  
I would like to comment on the air pressure issue--very important---I used to hook up two compressors to get enough air for 30 plus years. I then purchased a very large compressor and ignored using a regulator. After lots of bad words and numerous attempts--I hooked up the regulator that had been setting basicly in the way, and presto. I think it is a outrage that they don't send a remote control, or at least put a pop top on the directions so men would at least notice them. I also use my old gun with gasoline or thinner in it to spray the new paint off my paint gun that I paint the tractor with. Dave NE IA

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randy hall

07-27-2005 08:13:32




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 Re: Paint Gun recommendations in reply to Dave in CT, 07-27-2005 03:49:33  
harbor frieght tools has a paint gun for around $42 that is a copy of a devillbiss jga. it works great.



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Dave in CT

07-27-2005 08:41:39




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 Re: Paint Gun recommendations in reply to randy hall, 07-27-2005 08:13:32  
That's of interest. Pehaps after I sharpen my skills as Andy suggests I'll pick up one of those.



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Andy Martin

07-27-2005 04:55:20




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 Re: Paint Gun recommendations in reply to Dave in CT, 07-27-2005 03:49:33  
You need to practice on the gun you have. Most guns will give good results with the proper mixture of paint and air settings.

Having the gun perfectly clean inside (and out) is a good start and necessary. Seals should be replaced so there is no leakage. I spend as much time cleaning as I do spraying. One shop job I had was to spray over 10,000 frames like picture frames made of 3/4 by 3/4 material. No runs, no drips, no errors, almost.

You need a fair amount of paint going on to wet the surface properly, and your technique is very important in getting just enough overlap between passes to avoid runs and sags.

Expensive guns are a joy to use but they are pretty much useless in the hands of a novice.

Start by painting a fence or barn where you have plenty of flat vertical surface. A good craftsman can do an excellent job with mediocre tools. If you practice with mediocre tools to the point you are good, you may not need the expensive tools. If you still want them, at that point you can appreciate them and use them well.

If you try to finish paint a tractor as your first painting job you have no concept of how to avoid runs on curved surfaces and small pieces. It is extremely valuable to get some hours of spraying time under your belt on easy and unimportant jobs before you tackle the Mona Lisa.

HVLP systems are fine if you have the money and don't want anything else more. The best one I used was a cheap model which had a built-in fan to supply the air. They take a LOT of air, but at low pressure so the fan provided it fine. I burned the motor up spraying stain and lacquer on the doors and trim for a church with several thousand feet of trim and over 50 doors. It got really foggy in the room we were spraying in and the air inlet plugged up with lacquer and starved the fan to the point it burned up.

Try a 3M 6000 respirator with organic vapor cartridge. They are cheap and fit almost everyone. They are what are widely used in refineries around benzene and other carcinogens and will stop all the paint fumes.

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CNKS

07-27-2005 08:27:56




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 Re: Paint Gun recommendations in reply to Andy Martin, 07-27-2005 04:55:20  
That mask is NOT suitable for hardeners. Hardeners require a supplied air system.



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Dave in CT

07-27-2005 08:44:06




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 Re: Paint Gun recommendations in reply to CNKS, 07-27-2005 08:27:56  
I've talked to folks who've gotten away with using fans plus a good respirator but I guess you're right. Still taking chances that probably aren't worth it. Can one rent the forced air systems?



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CNKS

07-27-2005 10:36:43




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 Re: Paint Gun recommendations in reply to Dave in CT, 07-27-2005 08:44:06  
Rent? I don't know. The cheaper systems cost about $500. That is a high initial cost, but you only have to spend it once. Iso's are deadly, and you can become sensitized to them as I am. Such systems are also useful for sandblasting, you don't have to worry whether your mask is working properly. Biggest problem is them getting covered with paint dust -- still better than breathing it.



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Dave in CT

07-27-2005 06:08:27




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 Re: Paint Gun recommendations in reply to Andy Martin, 07-27-2005 04:55:20  
Thanks Andy. I'd thought about "It's a poor craftsman who blames his tools for his mistakes" trap. I guess I fell into it anyway. I've been spending a lot of time cleaning the siphon guns but I'll delve into them further. I have been painting more obscure surfaces in practice - trailer wheels, barn shelves. All but one wheel side have come out run and sag free so I guess I'm learning. The siphon touch-up gun tends to oscillate between spitting and air which is probably due to my not doing a complete disassemble cleaning each time. The large siphon paint gun gives a bit too wide a spray, even adjusted down, for my current projects but it does have a more consistent spray. Thanks for your tutorial. I'll put your recommendations into action.

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CNKS

07-27-2005 08:43:22




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 Re: Paint Gun recommendations in reply to Dave in CT, 07-27-2005 06:08:27  
There are two types of HVLP, one is the self-contained turbine system Andy used, the other is a gun that uses an air compressor. All the air compressor type HVLP guns I have seen are gravity feed. The advantage is no drips, they don't sputter, they simply run out of paint. I'm not going to get into the price/quality thing, but I have a Sharpe Cobalt as a primer gun, and a refurbished (half the price of new) Sharpe Platinum -- an excellent gun, not the world's best but very good. If you are not going to paint much, buy the cheap gun. If you are going to paint several tractors, get the "lifetime" guns to begin with, you won't regret it. Most HVLP guns are easy to adjust, if I remember correctly, set the paint flow wide open, then back off a quarter turn, the air adjustment is similar, I have this written down, haven't painted in a while, I can look it up -- these are HVLP adjustments, not gravity. Set the air pressure to 40-50 lbs (it will say on the gun) AT THE GUN, using the paint regulator on the wall. Remember these instructions are all for HVLP. Many people who use conventional or siphon feed guns do not like HVLP, because it is slower and requires a different technique. I assure you, since you are a new painter, get an HVLP gun -- you WILL like it.

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07-27-2005 09:27:33




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 Re: Paint Gun recommendations in reply to CNKS, 07-27-2005 08:43:22  
The instructions for adjusting HVLP I gave above are not entirely correct. I got these from a person who posts on www.paintucation.com, whose handle is GaryL. These are for a Sharpe Platinum, but I believe they apply to any HVLP gun, if anyone is interested:--Turn the fluid control all the way out, until it is about to come off the threads. Pull the trigger (NO air to the gun!), turn the fluid control in until it touches the trigger, you will feel resistance, then turn an additional 1/2 turn. For the fan control, turn the control all the way out, then back in 1/4 turn. These adjustments will likely need very little modification. Further info -- The distance to hold the gun from the surface is about 6 inches. Close your eyes, pull the trigger with the air connected, hold your hand some distance from the tip of the gun, slowly move your hand or the gun closer, until you feel "a wall of air". Open your eyes, it will be about 6 inches. This is the maximum distance to hold the gun from the surface, and gives the correct atomization. The adjustments are for a full pattern. Although pressure, fluid, and pattern width are adjustable, guns function best when "wide open", and require, IMO, an excessive amount of fiddling if you want to paint a smaller surface. For smaller parts I use a touch-up gun.

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scotty

07-27-2005 05:37:58




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 Re: Paint Gun recommendations in reply to Andy Martin, 07-27-2005 04:55:20  
Andy, I enjoyed reading your post, well stated and to the point. Thanks!

scotty



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RustyFarmall

07-27-2005 06:19:44




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 Re: Paint Gun recommendations in reply to scotty, 07-27-2005 05:37:58  
Scotty, I'll second that motion. The only thing I might add is that a person also needs to make sure that the compressed air supply is clean and moisture free. I have tried painting on high humidity days, after a while the paint gun was actually spraying more water than paint, and we all know that paint and water really don't mix too well.



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Dave in CT

07-27-2005 08:39:52




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 Re: Paint Gun recommendations in reply to RustyFarmall, 07-27-2005 06:19:44  
Thanks Rusty. I've got a water trap as far away from the compressor as my hoses will allow, I don't bother on high humidity days (like today), and I blow out the tank after each use.



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CNKS

07-27-2005 10:44:35




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 Re: Paint Gun recommendations in reply to Dave in CT, 07-27-2005 08:39:52  
Use a good water trap, mine cost about $110 four years ago, and is still cheap compared to what the body shops use. My compressor is plumbed with metal pipe, the trap is about 100 feet away, zero water as far as I can tell. I have also run a sandblaster with it's own trap, also using trap I use for painting. The one on the sand blaster never gets any water in it, at all.



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Jason(ma)

07-27-2005 04:22:16




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 Re: Paint Gun recommendations in reply to Dave in CT, 07-27-2005 03:49:33  
I use two Sharpe HVLP cobalts, 1.8 for priming 1.4 for topcoat. I like them, they cost something like $120 at the time. My neighbor bought a deliviss(sp) HVLP with a couple of tips for like $160 from a paint jobber.



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El Toro

07-27-2005 04:10:53




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 Re: Paint Gun recommendations in reply to Dave in CT, 07-27-2005 03:49:33  
You should get yourself a HVLP spray gun. You will get less overspray using this gun. They're available from Northern too. That stands for High
Volume Low Pressure and they do require a lot of air, so you need a good compressor. I use an old Devilbiss gun for spraying the primer. I've used it for spraying acrylic enamels and it does an excellent job, but you get a lot of overspray. You need to get a supplied air system too if you're spraying a lot these paints available today. You don't want to be breathe the overspray, serious medical problems can result.
Hal

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