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OT : Local Signage and finding events.

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Hugh MacKay

07-24-2005 03:40:51




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A couple of threads down I responded about the problem of poor signage, and the results of finding events and places. I indicated my home town was as bad as any. One of the formost problems as I see it is when the first settlers came to this land they should have adopted a policy of no more than 8 letter words for place names. These 26 letter place names really add to the cost of signage.

Then you have the problem of locals without a strangers perspective deciding signage, what and where.

Take for example my hometown, Middle Musquodoboit, Nova Scotia. Four communities on the Musquodoboit River; being Upper, Middle, Lower and Harbour. No problem when first settlers travelled the river going north-south. Then they built highway 224 going from Shubenacadie in the west through Middle and Upper Musq. and on to Sheet Harbour in the east. Then they built a a highway from Truro NS to join 224 between Shubenacadie and M. Musq. ( see I'm getting tired of these long names already) Problem is this intersection and local signage people. Signs tell you Shubenacadie is right and Upper Musq. and Sheet Harbour are left. No mention of M. Musq. Then they built a series of highways north from U. Musq. to New Glasgow NS. It was never any problem telling someone how to get to New Glasgow from the Musq's. You just told them, every time you come to a T in the road go right. Problem was tell folks how to come other way as M. Musq. was not mentioned there either. I remember giving directions one night to an elderly inlaw couple from NY who were currently in New Glasgow. You guessed it they missed the turn off at one of those T's, ended up in Truro NS, then proceeded to M.Musq from Truro. At midnight they again phoned us from Shubenacadie, 6 hours later. It should have taken them about an hour. Poor signage.

North America is full of these kinds of blunders. Oh, if they had just used 4 letter words to name these places.

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Yugrotcart

07-24-2005 08:41:53




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 Re: OT : Local Signage and finding events. in reply to Hugh MacKay, 07-24-2005 03:40:51  
I have a cottage on Lake Kashagawigamog here in Ontario. When people ask where it is and I tell them the name, they think I'm kidding. I have been going there for 45 years, I don't have a problem getting there or saying it..... ..... ...



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Dave in CT

07-24-2005 07:23:35




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 Re: OT : Local Signage and finding events. in reply to Hugh MacKay, 07-24-2005 03:40:51  
Hugh, I agree with everything in your post but would like to speculate that the place names you've mentioned in Nova Scotia, with it's Gaelic heritage, _are_ the shortened versions, to the original namers. Ever seen any of the Gaelic road signs in Wales or the Outer Hebrides? 26 letters would be short for some of them.



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Hugh MacKay

07-24-2005 08:19:18




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 Re: OT : Local Signage and finding events. in reply to Dave in CT, 07-24-2005 07:23:35  
Dave: The Gaelic names are certainly present in Nova Scotia, however Musquodoboit and Shubenacadie are not two of them. Those names have native Indian background. Don't know the scoop on Shubenacadie. Musquodoboit however I understand means "running out in foam" in Micmac. This eludes to the last 5 miles of river at mouth having quite steep rapids. I never questioned it as it seemed reasonable. There is also a story on this one about an old scotsman trying to get his horse to cross the river and is quoted as saying "you must go Dobin". Of course we know where the name new Glasgow came from.

The Gaelic names show up on the eastern mainland and Cape Breton Island. My wife is from Cape Breton and her dad grew up speaking Gaelic. One of his cousins conducted a Gaelic choir until just recently,(may still do it) but she is in her 100th year. Less then 15 years ago she took her choir on tour to other parts of Canada, New England and I believe the old country. This woman sang at our wedding 40 years ago. We left for a car trip to New England. She drove also and was in Boston ahead of us. Ah those old Celts were tough. There are a few Gaelic road signs in eastern NS.

New Brunswickers do a good job of using up the alphabet with names like Petitcodiac, Nauwigewauk, Quispamsis and Penobsquis. Sounds like a mixture of French and native Indian.

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Dave in CT

07-24-2005 10:45:32




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 Re: OT : Local Signage and finding events. in reply to Hugh MacKay, 07-24-2005 08:19:18  
Coming from Schenectady, I should've recognized the indian - I guess the drift of my post was, as you well know, it does get a lot worse. I once worked for a folk festival in upstate NY that gave anglicized imitation gaelic names to places around the site. Intertanglefolknlocknwood was the outhouse.



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Hugh MacKay

07-26-2005 16:32:00




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 Re: OT : Local Signage and finding events. in reply to Dave in CT, 07-24-2005 10:45:32  
Dave: On that outhouse, in a user emergency, a guy wanting in, wouldn't want to ask, especially if he had to get spelling and pronounciation right before entry. Heck if you were in a hurry you wouldn't even want to ask directions to the place.



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Dave in CT

07-26-2005 17:33:34




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 Re: OT : Local Signage and finding events. in reply to Hugh MacKay, 07-26-2005 16:32:00  
I hadn't thought of that but you're right. It'd be "Hey, can you tell me where the intertanglefolkn - whoops . . . oh, forget it".



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TomHath

07-24-2005 05:48:25




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 Re: OT : Local Signage and finding events. in reply to Hugh MacKay, 07-24-2005 03:40:51  
Have you ever tried Google maps with the satellite pictures? It's really slick. From Google's main page, follow the "more>>..." link, then select Maps and in the upper right corner is a button for "Satellite". When you type in an address it displays an aerial photograph (actually a high resolution satellite photo) of the location. You can see all the roads, even some buildings, etc.

A couple of weeks ago my daughter called on her cell phone from Texas. I looked up where she was and where she wanted to go, I described each intersection as she approached, where to turn etc.

From what I can tell Google maps only works with Microsoft's browser today, other browsers might have problems

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Paul in Mich

07-24-2005 05:38:24




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 Re: OT : Local Signage and finding events. in reply to Hugh MacKay, 07-24-2005 03:40:51  
Hugh, I know what you mean there, and when I lived in Maryland, you couldnt instruct someone to go north or south, as ther wasnt a straight road to be had as the settlers just blazed a path on the path of least resistance. Even on flat land there were some of the most crooked roads I have ever seen. The best street layout system I ever saw was in Miami Fla, where Flagler St. and Miami Ave was the center point and everything ran in quadrants NW, NE, SW and SE. Streets and Terraces ran east and west, and Avenues and Places ran north and south. A first grader could find SW 8th St at 27th Ave.Bythe mid 50"s when developers began laying out all the cul-de sacs, and winding streets where nobody could find their way out of if they ever found their way in. The latter day planners couldn"t leave well enough alone and expand a perfect system as layed out by the city founders.

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Hugh MacKay

07-24-2005 06:23:41




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 Re: OT : Local Signage and finding events. in reply to Paul in Mich, 07-24-2005 05:38:24  
Paul: Lot in what you say. Nova Scotia because of rocks, ( and I mean rocks the size of most buldozers) rivers, costal inlets, etc., roads go the path of least resistance. Roads my be crooked but there are shore cuts galore.

Now you take the grid both here in SW ON and in your home state of MI, quite straight forward but no shortcuts, except where governments decided necessary. That is what got me lost in that triangle between Flint, Saginaw and Port Huron on Easter Sun. Partly the reason why I didn't find you. Not having your exact address with me also was a factor, but had I found Saginaw, I'm betting I could have found you. I'm good, I once delivered a truck load to the right person without a name or street number. All I had was town and street. Now it did help that out of 100 or so homes on street only about 3 people could have used what I had.

By the way how is your good better half doing?

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williamf

07-24-2005 04:39:43




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 Re: OT : Local Signage and finding events. in reply to Hugh MacKay, 07-24-2005 03:40:51  
It's the same all over, Hugh.
We turn off Highway 601 on Old Magraw Road to get to our house. Old Magraw makes two right turns and comes back out to 601 'bout a mile farther south. Every time UPS gets a new driver we have to start over.
Last week lightening started a woods fire in planted pines a half mile from our house. Called 911. Twenty minutes later they called back. Fire guys can't find the fire. The fire station is only three miles away, we drove down there and led them back.
Wm

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Vern-MI

07-24-2005 04:35:01




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 Re: OT : Local Signage and finding events. in reply to Hugh MacKay, 07-24-2005 03:40:51  
Need to bring back the old Rand McNally road maps of the twenties. Those maps had pictures of the main route intersections with notes such as what significant stores (Like McGillicuttys General Store) were located on the corners where a decision of which way to turn had to be made. Fuel stations were also called out as they were few and far between. They also gave instructions on what items to carry in the trunk for emergency repair like shellac for radiator patching, extra tire valves, a grease gun, and onions to rub on the winshield to keep the window from fogging up.

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MeAnthony

07-24-2005 05:34:52




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 Re: OT : Local Signage and finding events. in reply to Vern-MI, 07-24-2005 04:35:01  
Onions? Now who thought to try that? I love picking up interesting little tidbits like this. Oh, if all the old-time knowledge were put in a book...


Y'all have a good one,
Anthony



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