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jostev

07-21-2005 05:07:08

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I was wondering if anybody knew if a pair of 46 knotters would fit on a 45 baler. I think that I can get the 46 knotters, but the 45 doesn't tie or knott it just makes a huge mess of twine so i thought maybe I could switch the knotters. Thanks

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McDiesel

07-21-2005 22:08:59

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Re: 45/46 Balers in reply to jostev, 07-21-2005 05:07:08

I have not been around a IH baler that would'nt tie if properly adjusted. The 45 was a little more diffacult. I have a 435, I bale 1500 bales of corn stalks, and 1000 bales of bean straw with. I don't have very much trouble. Twine makes a big difference in performence. 7200 works a lot better than 9000. The 9000 is to thin.

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Charlie M

07-21-2005 17:23:49

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Re: 45/46 Balers in reply to jostev, 07-21-2005 05:07:08

I've got a 46 that ties very well. Have 2 neighbors with older NH balers that have had experts work on them several times and couldn't fix them. I'm guessing not everyone is the expert they think they are.

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Mike Van

07-21-2005 09:08:25

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Re: 45/46 Balers in reply to jostev, 07-21-2005 05:07:08

I had real good luck with a 46 years ago, when I got it the knotters were so packed with old bits of twine & crap, wouldn't tie - after cleaning every spec of junk out, it tied for years. I'm not sure if the knotters are the same [45/46], but there wouldn't have to be much difference for them not to work. Rather than messing with that 45 couldn't you find a 46 or 47 cheap?

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Jim Bradley

07-21-2005 07:34:48

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Re: 45/46 Balers in reply to jostev, 07-21-2005 05:07:08

The 46 IH baler is a good baler. The 45 was very tempermental and undependable. I have a 46 I have housed for over 20 years that I would sell. I am at Dubuque, Iowa. 563.583.3714 if anyone is interested. I used it all the time until I bought a large round baler in about 1976. Now I do not have the large round baler and no hay to bale.

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Nat

07-21-2005 07:24:58

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Re: 45/46 Balers in reply to jostev, 07-21-2005 05:07:08

Bah, there's no such thing as an IH baler that can tie a knot... They work okay for a little while when they're new, but once they get a few thousand bales through 'em, they're impossible. I don't know how many times we had the dealer send a mechanic over to adjust both the 430 and 435 balers we had, and they could never make them tie worth a hoot. Dad finally gave up and bought a NewHolland, and that only misses when it switches twine, or if the hay is too tough to bale.

I say this because I don't think switching the knotters is going to help. It's the same flawed design on the 45, 46, 47, 430, 440... Notice IH doesn't make their own balers anymore? They buy 'em and repaint them.

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John In North Iowa

07-22-2005 06:43:58

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Re: 45/46 Balers in reply to Nat, 07-21-2005 07:24:58

You are right about the stronger knot with the International Balers. They used the McCormick knottiers. The rest use the Dearing Knottiers, which have a lot more moving parts. The McCormick knottiers didn�t use a striper and pulled the knot off the knottier as it baled, were the Dearing knottier used a striper. First rule is to use good twine, make sure the twine disks are gap right or on the 400 that the tension is set right on the disks. Second is to keep the breastplate clean that hold the tension on the knottier. A lot of people try adjusting the knottier when the real trouble is dirt behind the breastplate. The last is to keep the twine knifes sharp. I have a 46 and by following these rules it will tie all day long. It has baled so many bales that I had to take the needles off and weld the grooves in them that the twine had cut in them

John In Iowa

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Evan350

07-22-2005 13:22:15

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Re: 45/46 Balers in reply to John In North Iowa, 07-22-2005 06:43:58

Could you elaborate? What balers used the Dearing vs. the McCormick knotters?

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Carp

07-21-2005 08:59:37

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Re: 45/46 Balers in reply to Nat, 07-21-2005 07:24:58

If you had a 430 that you could not get to tie, that is because you could not find someone smart enough to read a book on how to set the knotter. 45's did not have a very reliable knotter. From the 46 on as long as you set them as the book says to, they tied all day long.

I will admit that the new holland has better knotters, but I don't think that they were a better baler.

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Reido

07-21-2005 07:32:34

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Re: 45/46 Balers in reply to Nat, 07-21-2005 07:24:58

Hogwash!
Have a 46 that's baled 10's of thousands of bales.

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Nat

07-21-2005 12:06:47

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Re: 45/46 Balers in reply to Reido, 07-21-2005 07:32:34

Ours did too, except every 4th or 5th bale came out of the baler in slabs, and when it happened you were guaranteed to have a chamber full of loose hay.

Apparently this knotter adjustment thing is a skill only a select few have, because over the years we had all the local dealers send out their best baler guys to adjust the knotters, including Mr. If-he-can't-make-it-work-no-one-can. They couldn't make either of these balers work.

The New Holland has been popping out solid bales 99.25% of the time ever since he got it, and it's only been adjusted once by one of the guys who couldn't make the IH balers work, so don't say it's us or how we were running the baler, or that ALL the mechanics were incompetent...

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dhermesc

07-21-2005 08:25:11

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Re: 45/46 Balers in reply to Reido, 07-21-2005 07:32:34

Agreed, we had a 440 baler that averaged 6000 bales a year in the early 80s, would never have kept it if it couldn't tie a knot. Biggest problem is finding a mechanic that knows what he's doing with one.

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KAK

07-21-2005 21:22:54

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Re: 45/46 Balers in reply to dhermesc, 07-21-2005 08:25:11

We had a IH 46 and then a 430 and baled many thousands of bales with both of them. They were just a little more fussy with maintenance of the knottier then the McCormick knottiers (which almost all if not all the other balers used) but we had VERY LITTLE trouble with the International knottier. The International knot was a MUCH stronger knott then the McCormick knot also. The twine never breaks at the knot like the McCormick knots.

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El Toro

07-22-2005 06:52:37

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Re: 45/46 Balers in reply to KAK, 07-21-2005 21:22:54

I can almost smell that hay, good picture too. Hal

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El Toro

07-21-2005 06:25:29

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Re: 45/46 Balers in reply to jostev, 07-21-2005 05:07:08

Call 1-800-732-0017 and ask for farm equipment parts, they should be able to tell you if those knotters are interchangeable by the IH stock numbers. Hal

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jostev

07-22-2005 06:33:05

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Re: 45/46 Balers in reply to El Toro, 07-21-2005 06:25:29

Thanks everybody for the information, I think that I might be able to get the whole 46. The knotters are interchangable according to the phone number. I got the 45 for free so I couldn't resist to say no.

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El Toro

07-22-2005 06:56:14

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Re: 45/46 Balers in reply to jostev, 07-22-2005 06:33:05

Hang on to that phone number in case you need to check on something else. They always seem to try and help you. They're in PA. Hal

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