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Tanner Clark

07-06-2005 07:07:02




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The current rims and tires on my "H" are full of fluid, more than likely it is not water in there because one of the rims are rotting around the valve stem. Anyway, the tires are brand new, but I want to swap out the rims with brand new ones. Depending on the type of fluid, will that fluid hurt the new tires and new rims? I want to use the exisiting new tires and have them cleaned inside and out, and then have them installed on my new set of rims. What should I have the guy do to the tire, if anything so that the residual fluid won't effect my new rims?

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Tanner Clark

07-07-2005 04:10:52




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 Re: New rims, and tires to be installed, but I nee in reply to Tanner Clark, 07-06-2005 07:07:02  
Thanks Stan.



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Tanner Clark

07-06-2005 09:14:03




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 Re: New rims, and tires to be installed, but I nee in reply to Tanner Clark, 07-06-2005 07:07:02  
I just need a close shop that would do the job right, the first time. I don't really want to travel that far to get this done. I am hoping that Stan Bass has a person down his way in Virginia that can help me.



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Stan(VA).

07-06-2005 21:40:45




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 Re: New rims, and tires to be installed, but I nee in reply to Tanner Clark, 07-06-2005 09:14:03  
Hey Tanner,
You've received several good suggestions on doing things right (new tubes and washing the tire out with soap and water [CaCl is water soluble]). As far as a shop suggestion... Last time I checked, 2 of 3 shops I called wouldn't touch a rim with CaCl in it; the 3rd would reinstall it (fluid), but didn't want to keep it (and that place was about an hour and 15 mins away).

Other problem is that all I have talked to are working against the clock (which doesn't always jive with things like washing and drying a tire out), so I do as much as I can myself.

If you find a shop to take your fluid, you might take the old tires in, have them de-mount the tires, then you take them home to clean everything up and return in a few days to have them re-mounted on the new rims. They might work with you or you might just have to pay as two different jobs.

The last time we dealt with it the fluid was drained on a driveway to keep the weeds/grass down, then we changed the tire out. That gave us time to clean up the scale inside the old rim, wash out the tire good, then reinstall everything. I have a tire spoon, couple of screwdrivers and use either the Super H or M's 3 pnt hitch to break the beads. The larger tires (36 & 38") can be relatively easy to do especially if the tire is fairly new and the bead rubber is still in good shape.

You need to be real careful though if you are going to remove the rims and try to haul them somewhere. 1- They will be HEAVY (would guess neighborhood of 500lbs a piece). With the weight distributed over a diameter that big, they become very awkward to balance. 2- If one is leaking, it will leak over the back of your truck which will then start rotting just like your rims if it isn't all cleaned out.

I got your email also and will try to respond direct tomorrow with some of the local contacts, maybe that will help a little.
Stan(VA).

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El Toro

07-06-2005 08:34:40




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 Re: New rims, and tires to be installed, but I nee in reply to Tanner Clark, 07-06-2005 07:07:02  
Hi Tanner, I don't use that calcium chloride
in my tires. I just have wheel weights. With new tires and a full tread you should be ok with just wheel weights. I would also install new tubes too. Hal



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Tanner Clark

07-06-2005 08:43:56




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 Re: New rims, and tires to be installed, but I nee in reply to El Toro, 07-06-2005 08:34:40  
My current problem, is that there aren't any shops in my City life area that want to change tires unless it is a John Deer or a Kubota tractor. Hal, do you have a good shop up your way that is willing to change out tires for my tractor and do it the right way with new tubes, without tearing up my new rims, and letting the tires dry out before reinstallation?



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El Toro

07-06-2005 09:03:03




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 Re: New rims, and tires to be installed, but I nee in reply to Tanner Clark, 07-06-2005 08:43:56  
We have a tire shop here in town would be able to handle your tires. Their phone number is 410-838-
8620. The business is called Tire Village. We also have a Case/IH dealer a few miles out of town.

That's a long way to get those tires mounted. I live about 35 miles NE of Baltimore. I can call Tire Village if you want me too to get a price. I'll look for an email address for them too, after
I send this and will post it if they have one. Hal

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onefarmer

07-06-2005 08:30:54




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 Re: New rims, and tires to be installed, but I nee in reply to Tanner Clark, 07-06-2005 07:07:02  
For the question of what to do about the tires. Just clean them up with water. Then let them dry. This will remove most of the old salts



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Bob M

07-06-2005 08:18:20




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 Re: New rims, and tires to be installed, but I nee in reply to Tanner Clark, 07-06-2005 07:07:02  
Tanner – That fluid (probably a calcium chloride and water solution) will not hurt the new tires and rims so long as it remains contained inside the tubes. My recommendation however is to get rid of the liquid ballast and substitute wheel weightsinstead for ballast.

But if elect to reinstall the ballast fluid here’s a couple things I’d do:

1 – Buy a new set of tubes. The reason you’ve got seepage and rim rot is there’s a slow leak in the valve stems or the tubes. So get rid of those old tubes!

2 – Once you get the tires off the old rims, wash the tires out thoroughly to get rid of every trace of antifreeze leakage. Then let the tires dry completely before installing the new tubes and mounting on the new rims.

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Tanner Clark

07-06-2005 08:21:25




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 Re: New rims, and tires to be installed, but I nee in reply to Bob M, 07-06-2005 08:18:20  
This tractor will most likely be for show, however at some point I will need it for farm use, but for now it doesn't need fluid in the rear. I have 2 or 3 sets of rear wheel weights, so I will just put those on for time being. Thanks for the replies guys, and especially Bob's points.



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Bob M

07-06-2005 09:34:05




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 Re: New rims, and tires to be installed, but I nee in reply to Tanner Clark, 07-06-2005 08:21:25  
Tanner - I got rid of the liquid ballast and compensated by mounting 2 sets of weights on my Super M several years ago. The tractor still has excellent traction. And an added bonus is it rides noticably better now - especially in road gear! ...Bob



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EricB

07-06-2005 08:09:31




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 Re: New rims, and tires to be installed, but I nee in reply to Tanner Clark, 07-06-2005 07:07:02  
Tanner:
You will find that you do not have as much traction without fluid. Depends on is you are using your tractor for working. If its just for show that"s Ok but in the field you"ll be back for fluid real quick. About $80 per tire up here. Giving it to the tire guy is a real gift.



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F-Dean

07-06-2005 08:01:58




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 Re: New rims, and tires to be installed, but I nee in reply to Tanner Clark, 07-06-2005 07:07:02  
I agree with Rusty. If you ever develop a slow leak such as from a thorn, the fluid which is most likely calcium chloride, will rust away your rims.



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RustyFarmall

07-06-2005 07:53:58




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 Re: New rims, and tires to be installed, but I nee in reply to Tanner Clark, 07-06-2005 07:07:02  
The tire guy will have to pump out the fluid before he can dismount the old tires. If you don't want the fluid put back in just let the tire guy have it. Personally I would not put the fluid back in, but it's your call.



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Tanner Clark

07-06-2005 08:00:02




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 Re: New rims, and tires to be installed, but I nee in reply to RustyFarmall, 07-06-2005 07:53:58  
Oh, I have no intention at all to put any kind of fluid into the new tires and rims, trust me. I was just wondering if there is some cleaning process that the person will have to do to clean the tires of that nasty fluid.?



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Andy Martin

07-06-2005 08:07:17




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 Re: New rims, and tires to be installed, but I nee in reply to Tanner Clark, 07-06-2005 08:00:02  
Any tire that has had a leaking tube should be thoroughly rinsed with clean water. CaCl is just about like NaCl and will rinse away nicely.



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F-Dean

07-06-2005 08:03:11




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 Re: New rims, and tires to be installed, but I nee in reply to Tanner Clark, 07-06-2005 08:00:02  
I put new tubes in mine to address that problem.



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