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Well, Phooey

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Allan in NE

07-05-2005 14:52:49




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Hmmmm,

Derned plow got here and unloaded. I see there is a coulter missing and that silly packer hitch has got to come off there.

Big no-no is that it is rigged fer a CAT III hitch and my tractor is CAT II. Looks like it is going to be the bushing route.

Good news is that the lathes were new the last year he used it and he "doped" the bottoms with the IH 'paint'. Scouring not gonna be a problem at all. :>)

Dat sucker is heavy, but the little H lifted it off the trailer like a trouper.

Allan

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JakeF

07-05-2005 22:00:42




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 Re: Well, Phooey in reply to Allan in NE, 07-05-2005 14:52:49  
Get the three point pins from your local case dealer and tell them that they are for a plow. The generick ones won't last long. They make a special one for the roll over plows. If you want to make it work even better add a piece of 3/4" plate 2 1/2" out from the sides and have some stepped pins made, and get a set made that'll work on a cat III also. The new ones have the two plates and a pin through both and you'll never break one of the single anchor point lift pins again. Jake

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P Backus

07-05-2005 21:16:20




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 Re: Well, Phooey in reply to Allan in NE, 07-05-2005 14:52:49  
Hi Allan
I've been following your plow search and now that I see the pictures, I'm wondering just exactly how that bugger works. I assume that the main frame of the plow rotates on the hitch assembly, but why only one gauge wheel? Doesn't it wind up on top? It doesn't look like you have a coulter missing, it looks like you only have A coulter. Whats all that stuff bolted on between no.2 and no.3 with the chain on it? Oh, that's a packer hitch, eh? Here near Green Bay WI a Packer is something else entirely. In my part of WI we don't see too many spinners- just straight plows. Maybe I'll have to drive out to NE so I can figure it out. Will you put me up for a week on the new ranch? LOL!
Paul

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Allan in NE

07-06-2005 05:27:47




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 Re: Well, Phooey in reply to P Backus, 07-05-2005 21:16:20  
Hi Paul,

Yep, the whole gizmo is mounted on, it rotates around and is pulled by that big pipe running down the backbone.

The hitch and the plow frame are actually two entirely different units with the cylinder connecting the two in a lateral manner.

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The laticework of boltholes in the guagewheel plates is where the "landside depth" of the plow is set by the placement of the stopbolt arm.

Hard to see in the picture, but there is a stoparm at the top and at the bottom of the plates and the gaugewheel arm moves between the two, depending on direction of travel.

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The 3-point hitch on the tractor is then set to the "float" position by the collars being dropped to their lower position.

This, in effect, puts the "plowside" depth (and the only weight the tractor carries) on only one arm of the 3-point hitch and both the sideways and the fore/aft level of the plow is set by the one arm of the tractor's hitch doing a "balancing act" to the depth of that gauge wheel.

When the plow spins, gravity forces the latch at the gaugewheel to unhook, the wheel drops to the other direction and the latch then hooks again on the other short stopbolt arm.

In short, the whole plow is controlled by that gaugewheel. If a cornstalk or something should happen to keep the gaugewheel from changing directions, all bets are off because the plow will head for China and stop you dead in your tracks. :>)

Allan

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P Backus

07-06-2005 13:11:56




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 Re: Well, Phooey in reply to Allan in NE, 07-06-2005 05:27:47  
Thank you Allan. Now I'm starting to get an understanding of that plow. I've got the gauge wheel concept down, but it looks like that cylinder would only turn the plow about 90 degrees instead of the 180 that you need. I know that 'aint so or it wouldn't work. It also looks like it would eventually pull apart at the swivel. Again I know that they must be reliable or people wouldn't use them, but I've seen solid beam plows break apart in surprising places from all the pulling they get.
Thanks again for taking the time to 'splain it to me, Bud! ;)
Paul

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Nebraska Cowman

07-05-2005 20:35:41




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 Re: Well, Phooey in reply to Allan in NE, 07-05-2005 14:52:49  
WOW, whatcha gonna pull that with Allan?



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John A.

07-05-2005 20:33:30




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 Re: Well, Phooey in reply to Allan in NE, 07-05-2005 14:52:49  
Allan, Why not just locate a IH "Quick hitch" that is a JD term for their squared off U thing for hooking up to 3 point impliments quickily. It will save a lot of Blood,Sweat,Tears & profain words. Not to mention hurting your back trying to scoot the plow only 1/4 in. to get a pin to line up.
The pins on your tractor can remain Cat II and leave the plow Cat III. Just a thought. Later,
John A.

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Chris in SeMo

07-05-2005 17:40:46




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 Re: Well, Phooey in reply to Allan in NE, 07-05-2005 14:52:49  
Allan,Fine looking plow there.I've noticed from occasional posts on this board that some of the folks never needed a plow such as the rollovers and so probably don't realize just what a difference they can make. Years ago on a the LZ Ranch near Picacho,Az. I rode rounds with a friend plowing in a one mile field. He was using a large dozer(D-9)? with about 10 plows up and 10 plows down.MUCH too slow and cumbersome to lay off lands then work them out so turning back right beside himself on those 1 mile rows made all the difference.Not a foot of driving and not a minute of time were wasted.By the way,come cotton picking time They cut roads crossways every quarter mile on those mile long fields.Sorry for the long post,Gotta Go! Thanks,Chris in SeMo.

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Allan in NE

07-05-2005 17:47:38




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 Re: Well, Phooey in reply to Chris in SeMo, 07-05-2005 17:40:46  
Yes Sir,

Different folks do it differently in different parts of the country.

Aside from the old tumble plows, these spinners are the only plows I've ever known. I've never even seen a one way plow work.

Allan



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Harley

07-05-2005 15:49:23




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 Re: Well, Phooey in reply to Allan in NE, 07-05-2005 14:52:49  
Hey, I see you got the baler. Get to use it yet? You said last week that you thought the 9 would pull your plow, and I agreed with you, but I thought it was a 4 bottom. That thing looks like an 8 bottom. If that's the case, I think you might be in trouble, Harley



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Allan in NE

07-05-2005 16:25:45




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 Re: Well, Phooey in reply to Harley, 07-05-2005 15:49:23  
Hi Harley,

Only thing wrong with the baler was me.....too darned dumb to know how to use it. Worked like a charm after the guys here straightened me out! :>)

I'm in trouble anyway 'cause the plow is gonna make me work fer my supper. I gots to switch it over from a CAT III to a CAT II. And, I really wanted to spin that ol' devil so darned bad today too! Drat! :>(

Haven't done it in years, but I still remember how the whole tractor shakes when she comes around; like a dog shakin' off water. :>)

Allan

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