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Rauville

07-04-2005 06:13:45

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I'm curious. This 1954 SA-1 (advertised as such) is coming up for auction this next weekend. What differences between this and a standard Super A does one look for? And how much of a price premium would they command over a SA?

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Jim Becker

07-04-2005 19:30:12

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Re: Super A-1 Information? in reply to Rauville, 07-04-2005 06:13:45

I agree that it is the industrial version of the Super A1. The mower is the heavy duty mower that was typically used for highway mowing. With the short pitman and drive shaft position, it will operate way above or below horizontal.

The other mower, like Karl described, is the typical ag mower, model 22.

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Karl Hamson

07-04-2005 15:58:53

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Re: Super A-1 Information? in reply to Rauville, 07-04-2005 06:13:45

I have a mid mounted mower on a Super A but it does not look anything like that one. Straight drive forward then a pitman arm to the sickle bar. That one looks much more heavy duty. I have no idea what model my mower is except that it is IH. If you get this tractor, and you should, I would love to know what model mower is on it as I would like to have one.

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Paul in Mich

07-04-2005 15:30:43

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Re: Super A-1 Information? in reply to Rauville, 07-04-2005 06:13:45

By all appearances, this seems to be a SA-I-1. At first, I thought it may have had the brace found on the industrials added to a SA-1, but looking closer, I can see it does have the diamond shaped axle, and while this picture doesnt show the foot pedal accelerator, it does show the linkage traveling upward nest to the steering post arm. then connecting to the rockshaft which connects to the throttle control to governor rod. The raised gas tank and hood as well as the elongated grill, of course, indicates that it is a SA-1, and it should be equipped with a water pump, just as the other responders suggest. The features I pointed out also verifies that it is indeed an Industrial version of the SA-1 which in my opinion would make it more rare than if it were merely the Ag model, but only in the fact that its numbers were fewer, not that it would necessarily be worth more money. The difference in what it is worth compared to the SA or SA-1 is relevant only if you have a buyer who is willing to pay for such rarity. There is no set rule of thumb in that regard, only market forces. It does appear to be a nice, complete tractor, certainly one worthy of extended use or restoration.

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williamf

07-04-2005 13:48:49

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Re: Super A-1 Information? in reply to Rauville, 07-04-2005 06:13:45

Do the visegrips come with it? My H came with a pair of mini visegrips clamping the oil gauge line shut to stop a leak.
Wm

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KevinDM

07-04-2005 09:14:28

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Re: Super A-1 Information? in reply to Rauville, 07-04-2005 06:13:45

Rauville: Aren't true Super A Industrial's supposed to have the heavy duty square front axle(stands on end like a diamond)?

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KevinDM

07-04-2005 14:03:35

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Re: Super A-1 Information? in reply to KevinDM, 07-04-2005 09:14:28

Mark; Thanks for the clarification. Confusing ...I guess! Also, info seems hard to come by. Wendell only mentions Super A-1 in passing and there is a very short passage on International A in Photo History (Klancher). Guy Fay, of course, has good info but it's in amongst the "A" stuff. Rassmussen (International McCormick Tractors) shows a Farmall A with the brace and H-D front axle(pa.68-69) and no foot throttle. By what name do we call that animal?

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Mark Peters

07-04-2005 11:59:12

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Re: Super A-1 Information? in reply to KevinDM, 07-04-2005 09:14:28

Kevin, This is going to get a little confusing. AI is different from A-1. The International Super A & Super A-1 is a whole other animal than a Farmall Super A & Super A-1.The International Super A-1 was the industrial version of the Farmall Super A-1. You are right about an International Super A or Super A-1 having a heavy duty front axle and also would have a foot throttle and a brace running from the steering gear housing down to the clutch housing on the right side of tractor. Hope this clears things up a little. Mark

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Mark Peters

07-04-2005 06:53:20

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Re: Super A-1 Information? in reply to Rauville, 07-04-2005 06:13:45

I`m pretty sure it shows on the serial # tag. The Super A-1 uses a C-123 engine (same as Super C uses)rather than the C-113 the Super A used.It switched to larger engine in the middle of 1954 production year.This engine displacement increase resulted in a 1 1/2" taller radiator for engine cooling demands.It also meant the grill and gas tank sat 1 1/2" taller. From the picture this appears to be a Super A-1, but check the serial # tag over, should be a # 356001-357958. It also should have mostly all "Z" codes on the cast codes.These are sought after tractors- though I don`t know that I`d call them ultra rare. My thought is it`s probably worth 30%- 50% more than a regular Super A ??? Good Luck, Mark

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Hugh MacKay

07-04-2005 12:37:45

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Re: Super A-1 Information? in reply to Mark Peters, 07-04-2005 06:53:20

Mark: You left out the water pump. Serial tag should be on left side of clutch housing, and yes in between 356001 and 357958, so only 1,957 were ever built.

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Mark Peters

07-04-2005 15:17:01

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Re: Super A-1 Information? in reply to Hugh MacKay, 07-04-2005 12:37:45

Hugh, you`re right about that-I forgot all about the water pump. After taking another look at the photo, I must say I think I`m going blind! That tractor ,I believe is rarer than I gave it credit for. I didn`t even notice the brace between the clutch housing and steering gearbox-duh!!!And it also appears that it is a square front axle after closer inspection. I cant tell if it has the foot throttle though. Anyways out of the 1,957 Super A-1`s made, I`ll be willing to bet that there were alot fewer International`s(Industrial version) made than the Farmall`s.If everything checked out, that would be a cool tractor to own, for sure! Mark

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Hugh MacKay

07-04-2005 16:12:26

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Re: Super A-1 Information? in reply to Mark Peters, 07-04-2005 15:17:01

Mark: Either way it's almost as rare as they came from IH. Super A1 Industrial, bet I can count the numbers on my fingers, and not use any finger twice. IH not really noted for it's rare tractors.

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Mark Peters

07-04-2005 17:15:03

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Re: Super A-1 Information? in reply to Hugh MacKay, 07-04-2005 16:12:26

Hugh , I agree with you about "rare" IH tractors.The term rare is all relative anyway and is probably used a little too liberally. Maybe using a different term like uncommon fits more. Mark

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Paul in Mich

07-04-2005 17:22:41

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Re: Super A-1 Information? in reply to Mark Peters, 07-04-2005 17:15:03

I think you hit it..... a High crop would be a rarity in orchard country, and conversly, an orchard tractor would be uncommon in the wheat belt. Geography does indeed influence rarity.

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