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Nositri

06-29-2005 16:00:47




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Jim,
I tried relubing the starter, but I didn't try cleaning it because I don't have any electrical cleaner. The starter spins up when it is off the tractor, and when I take the starter off after it is grinding the gear is all the way at the end where it should be engaged with the ring gear, but all I get is grinding and grinding when it's in. My ring gear really doesn't look that worn and no teeth are broken. When I push the button I get a grinding sound. Do you think that the battery is too weak causing it to not spin all the way up through the teeth of the ring gear. Any info would be great on this. I just got the fuel system all cleaned and the carburetor functioning correctly and everything adjusted and timed and she sounds good and after all that now she won't start. How do you like life?

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scruffyia

06-30-2005 08:39:48




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 Re: Attention Janicholson in reply to Nositri, 06-29-2005 16:00:47  
First, has this starter ever started the tractor???

Oh ya, life isn't fair sometimes... we all experiences like yours. the day I brought my JD70 home to work on, withen 2 hours, one of the M's tires went flat... It's funny looking back on it, but after I aired up the tire and tried to start it and move it up to the garage to jack it up and pull the tire and it wouldn't start I didn't think it was too funny. That M had started every time without hesitation for years until that day... Funny how things work or don't sometimes.... but it's not funny until a few days later...

Anyway, I'd take the battery cables off the battery, clean them up, and put them back on the battery and make sure they are tight. A bad or loose battery connection would also cause a low amp condition, even with a good battery. Also check where you're ground cable connects to the tractor. Be sure it's tight and making a good connection.

If this starter has never started the tractor it could be it's not lining up with the gear and needs shimmed or something. I'm just going off of other starter experience I have, unfortunatly (or I guess fortunately for me) my M's starter has worked flawlessly. But I've shimmed starters on other motors to get the starter and ring gear to mesh properly.

With the starter on the tractor can you move the gear forward out of the starter manually and make it engage the ring gear? That would tell you if they are even lined up.

Regardless off all of this though, this is something you can fix. If the ring gear was worn you'd know by looking at it. So take a deep breath and count your blessings. You can fix this. After you can determine what's wrong the fix will be easy.

So first I'd check all the battery connections, clean if corroded, make sure they're tight.

Second I'd try to determine if the starter gear and ring gear are lined up so that the starter gear can engage the ring gear. If they aren't lined up the starter gear will hit and grind on the front of the ring gear.

I'm sure you'll get more help from someone who's had a bad M starter, but I wanted to know I feel your pain.

later,
scruffy

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Nebraska Cowman

06-29-2005 16:53:32




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 Re: Attention Janicholson in reply to Nositri, 06-29-2005 16:00:47  
Life sucks but while I'm here i'll try to make it better for those around me. Now if it is grinding it sounds like the drive, maybe the ring gear too, is worn out. Once metal is ground away there is no way it is going to fix itself. Look carfully at the ring gear. they only wear in two short places about 3 or 4 inches long and the rest of the gear will look like new.



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Janicholson

06-30-2005 12:22:02




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 Re: Attention Janicholson in reply to Nebraska Cowman, 06-29-2005 16:53:32  
Here is the answer With out the parts in my hand, and the tractor in the sun next to me. with the starter off of the tractor, look in the hole at the ring gear. use a magnifying glass and good light. The worn ring gear teeth should be at least three quarters of the full width of the gear body. Put the tractor in fifth gear (ign. off) and push of the top of the rear wheel till it mooves the engine some. This will be a spot on the ring gear that is not worn from starting. Look at it and do a mental comparison. This spot should be full width.
If the teeth are 3/4 or more of the width, I think they are good.
Replace the pinion on the starter and see what happens.
You could also measure the depth of the ring gear teeth from the starter drive mount surface on the housing, then measure the depth of the pinion (when out) from the starter flange. if these overlap correctly so the teeth mesh fully, I'd bet on the pinion, or a slow starter. If they don't, it might be the wrong starter!!!
Good Luck,
Jim Nicholson

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