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Ron in Nebr

06-27-2005 23:13:18




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Well, after it had seemingly become a permanant fixture in our shop for the last three years, I finally buckled down and finished the valve job on my F-20 last week.

After adjusting the points in the mag it fired right up, ran smooth for a bit, then died. Got dark out and I didn't have any more time to mess with it and haven't had time since....finally quit raining here so it's time to make hay. I know I could probably figure this out by myself in time, but just thought I'd post here and see if anyone(Cowman?) could steer me in the right direction.

What the deal is- it'll start and run for a second then sputter and want to die. I found I could keep it running by pulling the choke almost completely shut. Then I open the choke and it'll smooth out for a second then almost die again until I pull the choke shut again. Obviously it's not getting fuel. Has a good stream of fuel from the fuel line at the carb and the screen in the carb inlet is clean. I also drained the old gas and it has fresh fuel in the tank.

My thoughts- 1- a jet or passageway somewhere in the carb is plugged up(I have a new carb kit sitting here that I haven't installed yet and a 5 gal. bucket of carb cleaner so if that's the problem it'll get fixed when I get time). Or, 2- The intake manifold gasket isn't sealing and it's letting enough air in that it needs the extra fuel from choking it to run. I put the gasket on dry out of the box(knowing that most gasket sealers and fuel don't get along well together). Haven't yet tried spraying carb cleaner around the gasket to determine if it's leaking but that's next on the list.

Is there anything else I may be overlooking here? Any special tricks to sealing up the manifold gaskets on these engines? This is the original dual-fuel manifold, not an aftermarket peice.

Any advice will be appreciated! Alsp- if anyone knows a baseline setting for the fuel mixture screws on the carb, that'd be appreciated greatly too!

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Ron in Nebr

06-28-2005 19:54:26




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 Re: F-20 Question in reply to Ron in Nebr, 06-27-2005 23:13:18  
Thanks for the advice guys. I'm sure I'll get it going one way or the other.

I found F-Dean's advice to turn the gas all the way on interesting. On all the tractors I've ever driven that had that style of sediment bowl setup, from the Super A to H's, M's, this F-20 back when I first got it, and all the way to our 656 gasser, I've never run any of them with the valve opened more than a turn or two. Usually they worked fine. Guess it's worth a try though!

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Ron in Nebr

06-28-2005 19:54:27




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 Re: F-20 Question in reply to Ron in Nebr, 06-27-2005 23:13:18  
Thanks for the advice guys. I'm sure I'll get it going one way or the other.

I found F-Dean's advice to turn the gas all the way on interesting. On all the tractors I've ever driven that had that style of sediment bowl setup, from the Super A to H's, M's, this F-20 back when I first got it, and all the way to our 656 gasser, I've never run any of them with the valve opened more than a turn or two. Usually they worked fine. Guess it's worth a try though!

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F-Dean

06-28-2005 14:06:34




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 Re: F-20 Question in reply to Ron in Nebr, 06-27-2005 23:13:18  
Make sure the gas is turned ALL the way on. I've forgotten to turn the gas all the way on several times. Amazing how much better it runs!



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Bobcat

06-28-2005 05:43:05




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 Re: F-20 Question in reply to Ron in Nebr, 06-27-2005 23:13:18  
Ron, I had the same problem with a F-30. I recieved alot of advice here and it was all good. It wound up being a plugged passage. In the top of the fuel bowl chamber about as high as you can get there is a tiny air bleed hole. It goes to the main well beside the venturi. I soaked this carb for a week and it was still plugged. Wound up taking a small pick and scrapped every inch of surface to find it. Take the choke horn off the bottom of carb body turn upside down and pour some liquid into the smaller opening and see if it bleeds into the top of the float chamber. I swapped more parts and spent more time on this than I care to admit. Owe Yeh! idles like new now!

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Nebraska Cowman

06-28-2005 05:05:09




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 Re: F-20 Question in reply to Ron in Nebr, 06-27-2005 23:13:18  
sounds like you are on the right track.



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Sloroll

06-28-2005 00:25:04




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 Re: F-20 Question in reply to Ron in Nebr, 06-27-2005 23:13:18  
I start the screws at a 1 &1/2 turns. Check your jets to make sure they are running free and your needle valve isn't sticking. It could be your float is set to low. I have had trouble with the floats actualy getting bent outward and hanging up on the side of the carb too. Good Luck!



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Dave Brennan

06-29-2005 05:24:02




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 Re: F-20 Question in reply to Sloroll, 06-28-2005 00:25:04  
When you put the head back on you did thread the primer pipes back in to the top of the head??? Right??? If not, Do it!



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