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Loader question on 656.. possible purchase

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Darren McLaughl

06-26-2005 14:57:08




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Wow.. what a weekend.. found the tractor of my dreams, and now I may have found a loader. It's an IH 2000 loader for the International 656 I just bought.

The question I have, is the loader I'm looking at doesn't have control valves or the rear axle u bolts with it. I assume if I plug it into the remotes on the tractor, the tractor controls will run the loader right? Or will I have to buy something else to go with this to operate the loader?

I assume the u-bolts are $40 or so a piece and shouldn't be a big deal right?

Thanks again!

Darren

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Weldon

06-27-2005 15:17:36




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 Re: Loader question on 656.. possible purchase in reply to Darren McLaughlin, 06-26-2005 14:57:08  
Darren, Some things come to mind in regards to your wanting to mount a 2000 loader on your 656. First , is your tractor the International (utility style ) or the Farmall (row crop style )? There is a big difference in the front mounting brackets used on the International as compared to the Farmall.You will need to have the proper brackets. Second, What tractor had the loader previously been mounted on? There is a difference in the rear axle attachment of the loader sub-frame for various models . You mention U-bolts not being with the loader. Large U-bolts are used when mounting on 706, 856, etc. These tractors have a hexagonal shaped rear axle housing and the rear of the sub-frame is made differently from a sub-frame that fits on a square rear axle housing as found on 656, 504 and others. Also the sub-frame for a loader on a 06, 56 series tractor is longer than what is used on a 656. It would require that the sub-frame be shortened by the proper amount and the correct axle mounting be fabricated if you are going to mount a loader from 06 , 56 series onto a 656.
Third, Does your tractor have two auxiliary hydraulic valves? If so , no problem, use the tractor valves for operation of loader. If only one, then you will need to get a two spool loader control valve ( available from any hydraulics supplier) and run lines from your tractor outlets to the new two spool valve and use the two spool for the loader and bucket controls. Reply if you have any questions. Weldon

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Darren

06-27-2005 05:44:10




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 Re: Loader question on 656.. possible purchase in reply to Darren McLaughlin, 06-26-2005 14:57:08  
Hey guys.. thanks for the information.. I bought that loader. I bought it for $1400... what do you think of that price? Maybe a tad high, but it has an industrial 7 foot bucket on it, and is in nearly perfect shape. I saw some that were mostly rust and split hoses for a similar price on the case/IH used equipment search.

I was asking about that hydraulic thing because this is my first tractor, and it's still 400 miles away (I've never laid eyes on it), and I didn't want to get ripped off when I bought the loader and found out I had to spend a bunch of $$$ to get it to work. It will need some hose extensions, but I have a client that builds ag equipment, so I'm sure they can make some for me.

I hadn't thought about having a u bolt to pattern off of.. hmmm.. I think I may have to order at least 1 from case/IH

Thanks

Darren

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Nat

06-27-2005 05:22:20




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 Re: Loader question on 656.. possible purchase in reply to Darren McLaughlin, 06-26-2005 14:57:08  
Yup. Plug the loader into the tractor's remotes. Dunno why you'd think that would be a problem...

They're hydraulic remotes, right? The loader operates on hydraulics, right? The hydraulic remotes are meant to be used, right? So... Use 'em :)



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williamf

06-27-2005 05:18:45




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 Re: Loader question on 656.. possible purchase in reply to Darren McLaughlin, 06-26-2005 14:57:08  
I recently had to replace a broken rear axle u-bolt on my (Dorf)TLB. I had one made at a local shop that works on truck and trailer springs and axles. It was under $20, but I had the wrung off one for them to go by.
Good luck, and BTW, that's a fabulous tractor you got. I've always thought the F656 was one of the best looking. Wm



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David A. Hodson

06-26-2005 15:38:08




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 Re: Loader question on 656.. possible purchase in reply to Darren McLaughlin, 06-26-2005 14:57:08  
Yes you can plug the loader into the rear remotes, thats how I have mine on my 766 with a 2350 loader. David



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