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Picking IHs Bones Clean

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PAULIH300

06-23-2005 18:09:00




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Never have I seen a former company ripped-apart as much as International Harvester has been over the past 20+ years.Seemingly it started in the 50s when IH sold off their refrigerator division to competitors,then IH selling off their truck line to Navistar,then the tractor/ag line sold to Tenneco.Tenneco/Case merging with NH making it CNH,The Payline division sell off,now you have the "McCormick" line of tractors claiming heritage back to the original Cyrus McCormick equipment....so,an unknowing person today could be seriously flabbergasted trying to find the source of information/parts for a certain former IH product.Trucks go one way,tractors could go a couple ways,heavy equipment (Payloader/Drott) goes another.Refrigerators go nowhere....geez,its hard to tell the players without a scorecard.In the parts racket,IH and AMC were always considered half breeds because of all the farming out of parts sourcing their products featured (IH Holley,Prestolite,Delco ignitions,AMC Motorcraft,Motorola,Delco ignitions ...etc),now it seems truer than ever.Long after they were made,its more confusing than ever...to a novice especially.
What a strange trip its been...for anyone that sold/sells "IH" products.

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hardscrabble

06-23-2005 20:18:27




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 Re: Picking IHs Bones Clean in reply to PAULIH300, 06-23-2005 18:09:00  
Our local IH dealer said it was poor mangement that spelled the end for International Harvester Co. That surprised me, because even though they may have been lagging in tractor development for a few years (until they came with the 50 series), I thought they were on par with the competition in all other areas. I couldn't beleive when Case took over, that they dropped IH's reversed cooling design, and IH's hydrostatic tractors. Especially when Case didn't have anything that came close. Case must have been eying the Axial Flow combine, because they didn't waste any time plastering their name all over it! I'm still suspicious.

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Harold H

06-23-2005 18:22:56




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 Re: Picking IHs Bones Clean in reply to PAULIH300, 06-23-2005 18:09:00  
IHC never sold the truck line. Navstar was the old International Harvester Company. They changed the name to Navastar to get away from the agricultural sounding International "Harvester" name. Tractors are very confusing for future family tree. Refrigeration went to Whirlpool then quickly went away. Construction went to Dresser who then went to Komostu. However, Case/IH/New Holland is to be commended in that they still carry far more parts for 50 plus year old IHC tractors and equipment than any of the other brands.

Harold H

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dhermesc

06-24-2005 12:57:39




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 Re: Picking IHs Bones Clean in reply to Harold H, 06-23-2005 18:22:56  
Harold nailed it, Navstar is true remains of International Harvestor. It was the only profitable division in the company by the 1980s.

My understanding as to why Case dropped the IH transmissions, their (IH) machine tools were shot and parts were being produced beyond tolerance. You either threw away 1/3 of your work or you used them and hoped it held togather. Case would have had to retool to produce the IH designs at an economical rate, instead they kept their own.

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Chris in SeMo

06-23-2005 18:16:38




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 Re: Picking IHs Bones Clean in reply to PAULIH300, 06-23-2005 18:09:00  
Well spoken Paul! Sums it up well enough,no doubt.Chris.



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PAULIH300

06-23-2005 18:26:24




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 Re: Picking IHs Bones Clean in reply to Chris in SeMo, 06-23-2005 18:16:38  
And one thought the Indian Motorcycle name was the most bounced around commodity in the country,it could well be the IH moniker.At least the IH name was given clear title each time,and not acquired by default,but nonetheless each transfer of ownership dilutes the brand further.One has to admit the most recent Gilroy Calif Indian cycle debacle was very far removed from the original Indian days...in many ways.They were auctioned off again,and in coming years will try again to recapture their glory days.However,who can really take Indian seriously when in fact the current owners have no connection whatsoever with the past.A name is easily traded and sold,the products of the original are true representatives of whats real,and thats something that cant be changed,or taken away.No wonder CNH still sells parts for vintage IH machinery...they know they cant match them,so they might as well profit off them.

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