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Correct driving and Shifting on my H?

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Tanner Clark

06-20-2005 07:20:16




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I suppose this is a silly question but I want to make sure how to shift this baby. No before I get into the specifics, I race/ run Track Day Motorcycles so shifting is important to me on the track, but I knwo that shifting might be sensitive on an old tractor like this.

So here we go. I assume that the gearbox and gears themselves are pretty open/slopy, meaning easy to hit the gear correctly when shifting unlike my race bike. However; I have noticed that when I try to shift from 1st to 2nd or any other gear for that matter, it doesn't like what I am doing and starts the hole grinding thing, so I always stop the tractor and then change gears because I am nervous about hurting the clutch during shifting. I know this doesn't make sense, but I want to make sure I am doing this correctly. What do you suggest that I do, should I just keep practicing hitting the gears better as I am driving the tractor? What do you folks suggest?

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Bob M

06-20-2005 10:02:39




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 Re: Correct driving and Shifting on my H? in reply to Tanner Clark, 06-20-2005 07:20:16  
As Allen points out below these transmissions are were never intended to be shifted while underway. Rather you pick whatever gear you need for the task before starting in motion.

However getting underway in road gear is problematic – especially if you are pulling a wagon or other heavy rolling load. For this it’s MUCH easier on the clutch to get the tractor started in 4th gear, then once under way shift up to 5th.

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Shifting 4th to 5th takes a bit of practice, but once mastered is easily executed without clashing. Here’s how:

Being pick the appropriate spot. You must be on a hard surface - never on soft ground. And you must be either level or heading downhill. (Reason: You gotta able to coast 30 - 40 feet without losing much momentum while executing the following steps…)

First get the tractor rolling as fast as it will go in 4th gear.

Once underway simultaneously depress the clutch and return the gas lever to idle. As the engine RPM’s fall off, move the gear lever to neutral.

The instant the engine RPMs reaches idle, quickly release then depress and hold the clutch pedal (gear lever still in neutral…)

Now move the gear lever to 5th. If you’ve done it right you’ll still be rolling and the lever will drop right into it’s notch without a hint of gear clash.

Finally release the clutch, reopen the throttle and enjoy the ride.

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Key is to practice a few times – it’s not hard to master. But once you think you’re good at doing a flying road gear shift on an H, try executing a “flying shift into road gear” on a hand-clutched tractor! (It takes an operator with at least 3 arms to execute this one gracefully!)

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nebraska kirk

06-20-2005 16:33:58




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 Re: Correct driving and Shifting on my H? in reply to Bob M, 06-20-2005 10:02:39  
Bob, I know what you mean about needing three hands to shift on the fly on a hand-clutched tractor!! When I was a kid helping Dad put up hay, I would drive his JD 60 pulling the 24T and pull loads to the barn. I got pretty good at shifting on the fly. I would usually start in 4th. since I would usually pull two loads and had a steep hill to go up. Once I got on the level I would grab clutch and throttle down while I shifted into 5th with my left hand and held the steering wheel with my knee. Throttle up to max speed and then do the same thing to shift into 6th. I grew up driving this JD 60 and that is probably why I love the sound of those 2-cylinder JDs.

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old

06-20-2005 08:38:03




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 Re: Correct driving and Shifting on my H? in reply to Tanner Clark, 06-20-2005 07:20:16  
Tanner, Some of the manuals that came with old tractors said right in them not to shift from gear to gear on the run. I don't know if IH manuals did but I know of other companys putting that in there manuals.



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farmallhal

06-20-2005 07:48:27




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 Re: Correct driving and Shifting on my H? in reply to Tanner Clark, 06-20-2005 07:20:16  
Tanner, You have the answer from Allen which works for everything except sometimes when using 5th depending on the load you are pulling and the terrain. There is a post (presently on page 4) titled "Taking off in 5th Gear on M" which gets into this shifting "on the fly" quite well. Read the string but you will find a post by "captaink" which gives very explicit instructions for shifting between 4th and 5th. I think you will find it helpful and it just takes practice and knowing your tractor. You can soon master going from 4th to 5th without clashing gears but just go easy with the shifter and give the transmission time to slow down before going up into 5th. I usually only shift at a low throttle (about 1/3 or so) when going up into 5th.

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Buzzman72

06-20-2005 07:29:07




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 Re: Correct driving and Shifting on my H? in reply to Tanner Clark, 06-20-2005 07:20:16  
Actually, the Farmall H transmission is a lot like some of the heavy truck transmissions used prior to the 1960's, as synchronizers [as we know them in automotive applications] weren't used. Fortunately, a H can be started in ANY gear from a stop, so that is how I always drove it...pick the gear best suited to the work load/desired ground speed, and then usually just stay in that gear. Fifth gear was usually called "road gear" because that was the gear you started in--and kept it in--when traveling down the highway. So if you're doing a lot of "gear jammin'" on an H, that's simply not what it was designed for.

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Allan in NE

06-20-2005 07:29:03




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 Re: Correct driving and Shifting on my H? in reply to Tanner Clark, 06-20-2005 07:20:16  
Tanner,

This is a tractor. You don't "shift thru the gears" like a road vehicle.

Pick your gear from a dead stop and stay there (unless it is fourth to fifth).

Allan



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Tanner Clark

06-20-2005 07:33:14




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 Re: Correct driving and Shifting on my H? in reply to Allan in NE, 06-20-2005 07:29:03  
Hey Allen, Thanks for the reply. That is what I thought, pick one gear and run it in that gear. But I wanted to make sure.



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Paul in Mich

06-20-2005 07:51:04




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 Re: Correct driving and Shifting on my H? in reply to Tanner Clark, 06-20-2005 07:33:14  
Tanner, for gears 1 through 4, shifting from a dead stop is best as like Allan says, this is a tractor and there are no syncronizers. When shifting from 4th to 5th (road gear), you can start out in 4th, and shift to 5th if you throttle down as you engage the clutch and drop the gearshift handle into 5th carefully. There is a sweet spot, which I"m sure you having driving experience will find in no time.

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Allan in NE

06-20-2005 07:28:06




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 Re: Correct driving and Shifting on my H? in reply to Tanner Clark, 06-20-2005 07:20:16  
Tanner,

This is a tractor. You don't "shift thru the gears" like a road vehicle.

Pick your gear from a dead stop and stay there.

Allan



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ben moyer

06-20-2005 07:39:48




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 Re: Correct driving and Shifting on my H? in reply to Allan in NE, 06-20-2005 07:28:06  
Never had any problem on my H as long as you double clutch and give time for everything to mesh together



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