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Chad Franke

06-14-2005 06:51:47




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I got my 2 W9's this weekend, paid a guy with a roll back to pick one, set it on a trailer (thanks Mike), pick the other, deliver, pull first, set it down...

Anyway, one has me scratching my head. The paint is red, fading to yellow. Looks like good yellow paint under a "less good" red coat, yellow is up under the hood and everywhere else. Tractor serial number is WCB19476, which makes it a 1946. Engine number is WCBM1547W1. What is the second W in the engine number?

Also, this one has split rims on the rear. Can't say I've ever seen any like this. The inside looks like a typical rim, then the outer part is welded on, made of what looks like diamond plate steel, with the split rig welded onto the outside. Also has a shock on the seat, never seen a W-series with that.

Also, both of these have a different shifter than the other I own. These have a "remote shifter" mounted on one of the seat mounting bolts. The other I have has a shift lever mounted directly on the transmission (don't have the serial number on that one right now).

I will get some pictures posted here soon, but if anybody can add to my knowledge on these, I would appreciate it.

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Joe Evans

06-14-2005 20:36:16




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 Re: W9 questions in reply to Chad Franke, 06-14-2005 06:51:47  
My 1948 W-9 has the shifter coming directly out of the transmission.



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Paul in Mich

06-14-2005 15:18:16




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 Re: W9 questions in reply to Chad Franke, 06-14-2005 06:51:47  
Chad, I have seen 3 different types of shifting lever configurations for the W9. One is the direct out of the transmission, then bent back 90deg. then sweeping up to the knob. The second is a short stub out of the transmission, then rigid clamped connection 90 deg back and then the upsweep to the knob. The third is the hinged linkage as you speak to the vertical shaft to the knob. I don"t know what years each configuration was used except that we had a 1949 which had the first type, along with clutch and brake pedals with perforated pads welded to the pedals. The factory seats were the same as for the W6 which was an elongated version of the type used on the H and M without the tool box attached. There was also an aftermarket adjustable seat called "Flo-ting seat" which had a mounting bracket to the original mounting holes, and had a coil over shock absorber with a manual weight adjustment which was much softer than the factory seat. The aftermarket seat could also be purchased with a cushioned seat with minimal back rest. The seat itself was somewhat comfortable, but the backrest was quite useless except for a handle for mounting the tractor. You are correct in your assessment of the paint used on the 1946 models. The red paint that IH used became in short supply, so IH used a paint that was quite purplish, then added yellow to brighten it up for the 46 models. The result was that as the red faded, it became orange then practically yellow. I could always tell a 1946 Farmall and McCormick by that trait alone. Within a year or so they went to which is now the 2150 IH rouge red.

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David Saville

06-14-2005 11:25:07




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 Re: W9 questions in reply to Chad Franke, 06-14-2005 06:51:47  
The early 9's had the shifter mounted directly to the transmission, the later ones had the subassembly mounted at the seat. Not sure of the serial number break. Early factory rubber was mounted with split rings in stead of drop centre rims. Not sure of your description of the checker plate but during the 50's a lot of people cut their rims in two and welded a spacer in them so they could get a wider tire on the tractor.

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Chad Franke

06-14-2005 11:05:13




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 Re: W9 questions in reply to Chad Franke, 06-14-2005 06:51:47  
Just a little update, got on Amazon and ordered Guy Fay's book, they have excerpts online, one page said that shortly after the war, there were strikes a chemical plants and the synthetic paint they used was difficult to get, thus mixed with a yellow paint...thus, yellow/red tractors. Would correspond with the '46 serial code... Other is a 1950 serial, and red paint was available by then. Question one answered.

From the serial numbers, they are definitely W9's, not I9's...

Looking forward to getting the book, looks to be full of good info, still looking for an answer on the split rims and the shifter difference...

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RustyFarmall

06-14-2005 10:26:24




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 Re: W9 questions in reply to Chad Franke, 06-14-2005 06:51:47  
I was thinking that maybe the tractors were actually I9s rather than W9s but the serial numbers definately make them Ws. I believe the serial number would start with IBM or similar if they were industrials, rather than WCBM. The yellow paint may or may not mean anything special. IH would paint a tractor any color the customer wanted if he bought a fleet of tractors.



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MagMan

06-14-2005 10:03:54




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 Re: W9 questions in reply to Chad Franke, 06-14-2005 06:51:47  
Guy Fays book on letter series says that the W1 is the same as the X1 on letter series means Gas. They used the W instead of X on W tractors. JON



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Bill Carlton

06-18-2005 08:24:14




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 Re: W9 questions in reply to MagMan, 06-14-2005 10:03:54  
Magman,

Please e-mail me about rebuiding/reparing a magneto on a McCormick Deering WD-9.



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MagMan

06-14-2005 10:07:43




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 Re: W9 questions in reply to MagMan, 06-14-2005 10:03:54  
At least thats the way I read the codes in the book . Also I believe you May have industrial Ws Thus the yellow paint and that may be why the shifter is different. Can be wrong though. JON



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