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havin fun

06-08-2005 19:01:57




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I have an H with normal power. Was wondering If I if I could put 36 inch C farmal rims on it to increase power. I'm not concerened about speed just power. Will it work. Thank's in advance




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RickB

06-09-2005 14:29:52




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 Bucking the experts. in reply to havin fun, 06-08-2005 19:01:57  
I have a buddy with a 1940 H that came on steel and was converted many, many moons ago to 36" rubber. He can get it into a 3500lb class pulling, and he is a big dude. Pulls well in 3rd and 4th gear. Doesn't give more power, but does increase pull by increased gearing, which is what you are really asking about. What are the actual axle diameters for H's and C's? I know where there is a 504 on 36's. I think you guys need to read some parts books.

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Dr.EVIL

06-09-2005 13:44:00




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 Re: H power question in reply to havin fun, 06-08-2005 19:01:57  
I think everyone is missing the point of Your question but putting 36" rims on Your H would be VERY difficult. The rims attach to the wheel of a C totally different than the rims on an H or M. The cast centers are totally difference and the axle bars on the C are much smaller than on the H. If You could get a pair of 9-bolt clamp-on hubs off an Oliver, the Model 66 I think it is You can bolt most any wheel onto Your H.

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Farmall43

06-09-2005 12:48:23




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 Re: H power question in reply to havin fun, 06-08-2005 19:01:57  
The best thing you can do is pull your head and have it profsionally rebuilt. Have a high performance rebuild done to it. It will allow it to breath much much beter. Also have at least 20 thousandths taken off it. That will give you more than enough power for your weight.



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Bob M

06-09-2005 09:40:17




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 Re: H power question in reply to havin fun, 06-08-2005 19:01:57  
Depends on exactly what you’re trying to accomplish...

If it’s simply to increase the pulling force available at the drawbar (i.e. with no regard to speed), switching to 36” wheels will theoretically increase pulling force by about 6%. However the smaller wheels also will REDUCE tractor speeds by a like amount. And since power is defined drawbar force x ground speed, actual power developed at the drawbar by switching to smaller tires will be unchanged.

In reality however, generally a smaller tire diameter = less traction. Depending on the ground surface and the tread style you may not see any increase in drawbar force at all – you could even experience a decrease in drawbar force switching to smaller tires. Also it makes the front end more likely to lift under load.

However if it is truly more POWER you are seeking, switching to smaller tires will accomplish nothing. Remember: power = drawbar force x ground speed. So with smaller tires you’re getting greater drawbar force but less speed. So power with smaller tires is therefore unchanged

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Incidentally the only way to increase a tractor’s power is to somehow wring more outta of the engine – either more torque, more RPM, or a combination of both. (Unfortunately that's an inviolable law of physics!)

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Nat

06-09-2005 07:44:34




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 Re: H power question in reply to havin fun, 06-08-2005 19:01:57  
It won't give your tractor any more power. If the engine is putting out 22HP, it will still be putting out 22HP with smaller tires.

By using a smaller tire, you are effectively "gearing the tractor down," giving the tractor the ability to move a bigger load at a slower speed. You've got more pull, but you give up speed. Power will still be the same.

HOWEVER, two inches of rim diameter won't make much difference, if any. You would need to drop to a 28" rim with a wider tire like a 16.9x28 to get any appreciable difference in pull.

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migraine

06-08-2005 21:53:52




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 Re: H power question in reply to havin fun, 06-08-2005 19:01:57  
The 36 inch tires will make the stance all wrong in my opinion. A stock old H with 11-38-or 12.4-38,s will hold its own if tuned up right. I.H. had it pretty well figured out in the era of early 40,s and the styling was accentuated by the nice tall level stance of the old girls. Migraine



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Van in AR

06-08-2005 20:35:35




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 Re: H power question in reply to havin fun, 06-08-2005 19:01:57  
A shorter tire will transfer more torque from the machine to the ground all things the same, however, the 38's will put more tread on the ground. Its a trade off.
Van



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Wild Bill

06-08-2005 19:30:58




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 Re: H power question in reply to havin fun, 06-08-2005 19:01:57  
I might be way off base here, but I think that the taller tire of the H would put more power to the ground than small tire would.



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R-cubed

06-08-2005 21:00:59




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 Re: H power question in reply to Wild Bill, 06-08-2005 19:30:58  
To get more "power" out of an H trade it for an "M". Seriously, and assuming you mean pulling grip, I doubt that you could tell the difference between a 36 and a 38. Wider tires is the way to go. (or nitrous oxide)



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SGT K

06-08-2005 22:23:35




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 Re: H power question in reply to R-cubed, 06-08-2005 21:00:59  
NITROUS????? ????? ??? The funny thing is, I bet someone here has tried that.



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williamf

06-09-2005 05:36:59




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 Re: H power question in reply to SGT K, 06-08-2005 22:23:35  
Oh, yeah. Not a clean buzz, but cheap if you huff it in the store, don't actually buy all those cans of spray topping...wait - -you're talking about something else, right?
Wm



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