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migraine

06-07-2005 21:11:16




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I recently aquired a I.H. fast hitch 2 bottom rollover plow but no manuals and not any #'s legible on the plow. I was curious about the model no or if there were more than one model , the weight of this thing and what tractor could you use to pull this thing and keep the nose on the ground. I would like to see pictures so I can tell if it is complete. The shares are in good shape and both trail wheels are on it but I've never seen a fast hitch plow rollover work so am needing some info and advise. Thanks Migraine

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Unreserved dick

06-08-2005 08:21:00




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 Re: Questions about Fast Hitch Rollover Plow... in reply to migraine, 06-07-2005 21:11:16  
What you've got is most likely a Model 210 Moldboard Plow (Two-Way) - which is the description on the Operator's Manual from IH (I may have the only one of these manuals left in captivity). It's a pretty obscure and unusual plow, probably the precursor to the 314 series.

The 210 only came with the Fast Hitch prongs - there's no easy way to convert it to 3-point. According to the manual, it was "designed for use with Farmall 300, 350, 400, 450, and International-350 Tractors equipped with Fast Hitch." Also quoting the manual, "A rear furrow wheel is supplied regularly. When the guage wheel (special) is used the rear furrow wheel is also used." I guess the theory was that the standard plow (without the guage wheel) was supposed to have its "suck" controlled by the draft-control mechanics of the Fast Hitch. I can tell you from personal experience that trying to use one of these without a guage wheel on a tractor without draft control is not a whole lot of fun. This thing is heavy enough to make a 300U light in front (i.e., it's quite a bit heavier than a 6-foot bush hog), but you can still steer without using the brakes.

I've left my email uncovered. If you'd like a copy of the manual let me know.

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Allan in NE

06-08-2005 04:29:22




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 Re: Questions about Fast Hitch Rollover Plow... in reply to migraine, 06-07-2005 21:11:16  
Migraine,

Does it still have the 14" depth wheel with it's drop-lock mechanism and the 4 colters?

They are a sweet little plow, pull fairly easy and are relatively light unlike that darned IH 4 bottom 18".

Allan



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Hugh MacKay

06-08-2005 03:16:22




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 Re: Questions about Fast Hitch Rollover Plow... in reply to migraine, 06-07-2005 21:11:16  
Migraine: I don't recall IH being big on roll over plows. The dealer parts book I have shows 2 models, 620 two bottom 14" or 16", with production beginning in 1962 and a 641 4 bottom with production beginning in 1963. This book shows only 3 point hitch models. However if you look at regular mounted plows of that same era, they all had 2 point fast hitch or 3 point hitch options for each model. One must remember these dealer plow parts books being 3 ring type book, thus pages were added or deleted depending on what a particular dealer sold.

Unless someone can think of a better suggestion I'd call your plow a 620. These two books I have list about 65 IH plows built from early 40s throuh to 70s. I know there are plows missing from these books. Get Allan NE in on this, he is big on roll over plows. Maybe you should rephrase the question, Allan likes to call them spinners.

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Allan in NE

06-08-2005 04:23:49




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 Re: Questions about Fast Hitch Rollover Plow... in reply to Hugh MacKay, 06-08-2005 03:16:22  
Hi Guys,

If I can take liberty with the Nebraska Cowman's picture, it shows this plow quite well.

I have no idea what IH's designation was, but both the 2 bottom and the 3 bottom were the same with the exception of the number of bottoms. I do know that their 18” plow is called a 140 and is still very popular around here today.

Howard's plow has had the hitch updated with the IH 3 point conversion kit, which as I recall, in the 70s run about $300 and it bolted on right where the 2-point prongs originally mounted.

Our dealer called these bottoms "high speed"; they were long and narrow as opposed to the fat squatty style. The only problem with this little plow, outside of it’s low clearance, was the timing of that spin chain. If it was set wrong, the clevis of the spin cylinder would snap right off the ram.

I used this plow on the 656 but it was a load; finally put it on the 766 and it made a nice combination in 4th gear.

Allan

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Hugh MacKay

06-08-2005 12:56:02




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 Re: Questions about Fast Hitch Rollover Plow... in reply to Allan in NE, 06-08-2005 04:23:49  
Allan: This may be of some interest to Migraine and others as well. The plow in your photo is not a 620. Both 620 and 641 have a round main diagnol beam as opposed to your plow with the box beam. In this series it does not mention either models being available as 3 bottom. The roll over part of these plows are very close to you plow however.



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Allan in NE

06-08-2005 13:12:07




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 Re: Questions about Fast Hitch Rollover Plow... in reply to Hugh MacKay, 06-08-2005 12:56:02  
Hi Hugh,

I think Dick down in Colorado has it nailed.

That model number 210 that he quotes sure sounds awfully familiar and I think he is right also in that it preceded the 314. The workings of the two plows however, makes 'em pure first cousins 'cause they operate just alike.

Allan



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Hugh MacKay

06-08-2005 17:08:53




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 Re: Questions about Fast Hitch Rollover Plow... in reply to Allan in NE, 06-08-2005 13:12:07  
Allan: Upon having a closer look through this plow parts book, I did find your plow and indeed a two bottom, as well. The models are 214 and 314. The book shows a rubber gauge wheel as you describe and 2 steel tail wheels.

There is a section in this parts book for the 210 plow, however someone removed the text before I acquired the book. I must say I am having a bit of difficulty accepting 210 as a 2 bottom fast hitch plow. I seem to remember that being the model number for the single bottom two way plow for 1 point fast hitch or SC to 230 2 point fast hitch. That is the plow that only needs to rotate 90 degrees.

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Allan in NE

06-08-2005 17:43:42




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 Re: Questions about Fast Hitch Rollover Plow... in reply to Hugh MacKay, 06-08-2005 17:08:53  
Yes Sir,

Those 90 degree babies are what I call a "roll-over" plow as oppossed to the spinners.

I just don't know the darned model numbers; both the little two bottom and later the 314 that we had both had little rubber tires back at the tailwheels along with the 14" implement gauge wheel. Kinda like boat trailer tires.

I remember sometimes the the lock mechcanism on the guage wheel would get a corn stalk stuck in the goofy thing and it would not drop. When this happened, you dropped 'er in the ground, went about 6 feet and it just almost brought that tractor to a total stop.

That's why it is hard for me to understand the things being sold without it.

Allan

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Hugh MacKay

06-08-2005 19:24:09




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 Re: Questions about Fast Hitch Rollover Plow... in reply to Allan in NE, 06-08-2005 17:43:42  
Allan: Just went through parts book again and plow models 214 and 314, 2 and 3 bottom respectively. Both were avaliable with either steel or rubber tail wheels. The tail wheel rubber tire was 4x12. Thr gauge wheel shows four options, that beng 6.70x15, 7.00, 7.50 or 8.00 by 14"

The parts book also shows an option for changing both these plows from fast hitch to Cat I or II 3 point hitch.



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Evan350

06-08-2005 08:37:09




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 Re: Questions about Fast Hitch Rollover Plow... in reply to Allan in NE, 06-08-2005 04:23:49  
I have a 2pt 2 bottom roll over plow and it looks rather different from this one. I don't know what model mine is. When I think of it I'll post some pix of mine in the implement photos.



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Allan in NE

06-08-2005 09:42:05




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 Re: Questions about Fast Hitch Rollover Plow... in reply to Evan350, 06-08-2005 08:37:09  
Yes Sir,

They make fun of me because I call 'em "spinners", but there is an unmistakable difference between a roll-over (which I call a flop plow), a tumble plow, a two-way trip plow and the 180° lateral-direction spinner.

All four are/were built completely different from one another and were conceived at their time in machinery evolution as viable alternatives to the one way or “one direction” plows.

Allan

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Van in AR

06-08-2005 20:39:42




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 Re: Questions about Fast Hitch Rollover Plow... in reply to Allan in NE, 06-08-2005 09:42:05  
Allen,
Weren't the "Spinners" a musical group from the '60's?
Van



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Colorado Curt

06-08-2005 07:19:39




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 Re: Questions about Fast Hitch Rollover Plow... in reply to Allan in NE, 06-08-2005 04:23:49  
This looks like IH model 314 that I have. It came as a two point and three point. I don't know what the model number would be for the two bottom version.



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migraine

06-08-2005 06:48:49




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 Re: Questions about Fast Hitch Rollover Plow... in reply to Allan in NE, 06-08-2005 04:23:49  
Thanks Guys. yes the pictures look similar to mine . the plow is spun with a chain driven sliding ram that is turned by a two way cylinder 180 degrees. The inner tube turns inside the main support tube. I'm sure my terminology leaves a litle to be desired but you get the picture. The 14 inch trail wheels are both there an all 4 coulter brackets but the coulters themselves are not . I have several around from other I.H. plows and they appear to be the right configuration. Are there any manuals that I could buy or copy to really do this thing right? Thanks

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Allan in NE

06-08-2005 07:00:49




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 Re: Questions about Fast Hitch Rollover Plow... in reply to migraine, 06-08-2005 06:48:49  
Migraine,

The biggie is the depth gauge wheel mounted on the side of the plow.

In the picture, the tailwheels are steel on this one, but you can still make out the rubber depth wheel on the far side of the plow. What I'm saying is that there should be 3 wheels; two tail wheels and one depth gauge wheel.

Without it, you cannot keep this plow from sinkin' to china. It should be a 4-bolt 14" rim with a normal implement or automotive tire. This wheel swings from direction to direction on a "pivot" affair which is then locked with a "latch" and it will 'drop' to the opposing direction as the plow comes down and around.

Also, I failed to mention that a guy needs the restrictors in the cylinder hydraulic lines. Either that or ya gotta "feather" the hydraulic spin of the thing because full hydraulic pressure really makes 'er "bang" when she comes around.

Sure easy to get the mud off it tho. :>)

Allan

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Allan in NE

06-08-2005 07:26:14




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 Re: Questions about Fast Hitch Rollover Plow... in reply to Allan in NE, 06-08-2005 07:00:49  
Also,

One of the weaknesses of this plow was it's low clearance; when it is sunk in the ground there just isn't a lot of room between the plow frame and the ground.

A lot of guys would take those coulters clear off because they made the plow have a tendencey to plug up in damp or wet corn stalks. Maybe why yours are missing?

I overcame this by making sure I had the stalks cut up good with the disc prior to plowing.

Allan

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migraine

06-08-2005 07:21:33




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 Re: Questions about Fast Hitch Rollover Plow... in reply to Allan in NE, 06-08-2005 07:00:49  
I'll try to take some pictures today out at the farm and look to see if there was a place for the depth wheel. Would they have put one a two bottom? Will a Farmall 350 hold this thing if I get enough weight on the front nose? Or maybe the 560 Diesel would be better with the wide front. Thanks migraine



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Allan in NE

06-08-2005 07:42:42




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 Re: Questions about Fast Hitch Rollover Plow... in reply to migraine, 06-08-2005 07:21:33  
Howard,

Are you sure someone didn't swipe the gauge wheel? I just cannot imagine using one of these plows without one. Maybe they were an option, dunno. Don't think the gizmo would work very well without it tho.

We pulled the 2 bottom with a 400D, 560D and the 656D and it was a real good match for all three tractors.

When we went to the 3 bottom, the 656D would pull it okay, but had to stay down in 2nd gear most of the time.

I just don't think you are going to need any front end weight at all. It is not that heavy; it just looks like it is 'cause you are not used to seeing those extra bottoms on top. :>)

I'd say a rotory mower is a darned site heavier than your new plow.

Allan

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