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1943 Farmall H - Wide vs Narrow frontend

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ChrisL

06-01-2005 16:07:36




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I just put a deposit on a 43 H with a trip bucket. I was looking for a wide front but this one has a narrow front.

What’s the big difference between the wide and narrow front end. I want to do lite work with this tractor, mainly moving some brush around and gathering cord wood, but I do not have the flattest land, just rolling...I am leery of the narrow front....advice I could use .. thanks from an almost new, old tractor lover

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captaink

06-02-2005 06:34:59




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 Re: 1943 Farmall H - Wide vs Narrow frontend in reply to ChrisL, 06-01-2005 16:07:36  
I’m going to add my nickel’s worth. A narrow front will plug easier if you are working in muddy conditions especially if in a feed lot. A wide front will only drop one wheel in a hole (half the weight and half as far) as a narrow front, thus less of a bump. Narrow fronts have the habit if you hit an obstacle with one of the wheels to “spin” the steering wheel out of your hands, which can be at the least a disturbing thing, at the most break bones. Because of the nature of a wide front, after a tractor tips to a point, the front end will hit a “stop” which will offer some resistance to a complete upset, but it is not by any means a fool proof roll over prevention. As others have said narrow fronts have some advantages too. As far as safety, the operator is the most important part and a good understanding of the laws of physics especially weighting and wheel spacing will go a lot further in preventing an accident than the wide front will.

My nickel’s worth.

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ChrisL

06-02-2005 03:12:34




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 Re: 1943 Farmall H - Wide vs Narrow frontend in reply to ChrisL, 06-01-2005 16:07:36  
Thank you all for the comments....I feel much better....this is such a great web site now I'll need paint, decals ...all the advice you guys have been given a 100 times - but I won't be getting the old tractor fever.. madness ---oh yea I feel it

Chris
Southern Maine



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Hugh MacKay

06-02-2005 02:45:27




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 Re: 1943 Farmall H - Wide vs Narrow frontend in reply to ChrisL, 06-01-2005 16:07:36  
Chris: In the 1950s I would venture a guess there were 50% more H & M narrow fronts with loaders than wide fronts with loaders. My dad's first loader tractor was an H nf followed by a 300 nf. Always kept tires filled with chloride plus wheel weights. My dad, four brothers and myself did all our first loader work with those two tractors. 54 years later none of us have ever recorded broken bones or have any stiches in our bodies. My dad and one of my brothers are no longer with us but not the result of any accident.

My dad did have a wide front for the H but it couldn't be used with the model 31 loader. Some years later I did install a wide front on 300. I could readily see all I really achived was to make tractor more cumbersome and clumsy.

One final bit of advice, set those rear wheels at 72" minamum tread, center to center. The rear wheel tread plus rear wheel weight, is basically what keeps all loader tractors upright, nf or wf, and don't forget that dose of common sence.

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Steven@AZ

06-01-2005 17:45:08




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 Re: 1943 Farmall H - Wide vs Narrow frontend in reply to ChrisL, 06-01-2005 16:07:36  
I've seen plenty of wide front tractors get tipped over. COMMON SENSE goes a long way.

Do not drive with the bucket raised. Do not turn at high speeds. Set the rear wheels out as wide as possible if you are worried.

Put chloride in the rear tires, will do more good for safety/balance than cast weights because the weight will be carried lower and will also lower the center of gravity.

I prefer narrow front for working around the yard, easier to steer and much tighter turning circle.

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RAW in IA

06-01-2005 17:09:10




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 Re: 1943 Farmall H - Wide vs Narrow frontend in reply to ChrisL, 06-01-2005 16:07:36  
All we had was narrow front tractors (F-20, C, H, M, 350) Had loader on 350 and H (one or the other, same loader). Biggest secret other thankeeping bucket low with load is to have plenty of wight on rear end, wheel weights,etc. This will help a lot to keep both wheels on the ground.



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NDS

06-01-2005 16:25:05




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 Re: 1943 Farmall H - Wide vs Narrow frontend in reply to ChrisL, 06-01-2005 16:07:36  
See a lot of comments about narrow fronts being unsafe in hilly country and I will not argue the point either way but when these tractors were new most wide fronts were in flat Midwest and wide fronts were rare in Applachin hills. In fact I never saw wide front H or M until I took trip through Mid West in sixtys.



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Allan in NE

06-01-2005 16:59:29




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 Re: 1943 Farmall H - Wide vs Narrow frontend in reply to NDS, 06-01-2005 16:25:05  
Yep,

I can vouch for that. I'm from the midwest and saw my first trike 5 years ago. Up until then it was all singles or wides.

Guess it is a regional kind of thing.

Allan



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Dave_Id

06-01-2005 16:13:14




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 Re: 1943 Farmall H - Wide vs Narrow frontend in reply to ChrisL, 06-01-2005 16:07:36  
Check the archives, this subject has been discussed many many times. The consensus is the wide front is alot safer around hills, but the narrow front can turn on a dime. My neighbor nearly got killed on an H that flipped backward on him. He was using one of those trip buckets, backed up into a hole with the bucket too high. He was also an alcoholic which didn't help the situation much either. It wouldn't have mattered what front end he had on it.

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Dave 2N

06-02-2005 03:42:22




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 Re: 1943 Farmall H - Wide vs Narrow frontend in reply to Dave_Id, 06-01-2005 16:13:14  
I think you are generalizing a bit when you say that the consensus is that WF's are safer on hills.

This topic seems to come around regularly every 28 days like some other things. I try not to get involved anymore but I think the consensus is that the NF's are as safe on hills as WF's. "Safe" is all in the head of the driver.

I grew up on a NF Farmall M here in our hills. We used a loader to clean a large heifer barn and toaroads. We got that NF M and loader in 1946 and used it until 1990; never an accident or even close to it. And I'm talking some hilly country.

Keep the rear wheels wide, the tires loaded, use weights, and just THINK.

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Andy Martin

06-02-2005 05:54:18




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 Re: 1943 Farmall H - Wide vs Narrow frontend in reply to Dave 2N, 06-02-2005 03:42:22  
Amen



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