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Farmall M, Tires and Hauling

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SScott

05-16-2005 09:24:19




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I found my grandpas old tractor and I would like to restore it. Its bad. The first thing I have to do is figure out how to move it. It is missing a tire and rubber on one of the back wheels and the front wheels are gone. Does anyone know what size they would be and what size of trailer I need to haul the M. I hauling about 300 miles in Nebraska. Any idea how much a trailer like that would cost to rent?

Thank you!!

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sscott

05-17-2005 08:29:29




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 Re: Farmall M, Tires and Hauling in reply to SScott, 05-16-2005 09:24:19  
Thanks, This helps. I got a guy to load it on the trailer with a loader, now I just have to get it off. Scott



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CNKS

05-16-2005 19:52:21




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 Re: Farmall M, Tires and Hauling in reply to SScott, 05-16-2005 09:24:19  
Light duty car trailers have two 3500 lb axles and can haul 7000 lbs including the trailer. Some have the 3500 lb axles but GVW's are as low as 5000 lbs. I just purchased a true 7000 GVW trailer, weighs 2100 lbs. It's hard to get an M below 5000 lbs, meaning the trailer is maxed out, if I wanted to tow my M, I don't. Next size up has 5200 lb axles, the one I almost bought had a GVW of about 9700 lbs, weighed 2320. A little big for my half ton. Trying to tow over 7000 lbs with a half ton, you have problems, unless you have a 4.10 axle. Even then, due to the lighter construction and the non-floating rear axle, you are asking for trouble. I speak from experience, as I have a half ton with 3.42 gears and have towed about 7200 lbs with it (once and only once). I am changing the gears to 3.73 and am going to try to limit the weight to about 6500 lbs, although with 3.73's it's supposed to be able to tow 7000 lbs, (downhill and with a tailwind). Regardless of what anyone says, an M is too heavy for a light duty car trailer, and is also too heavy for a half ton, unless you live where is is very flat and never have to pull against a 20-40 mph headwind, which is common in Nebraska.

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skycarp

05-16-2005 18:58:13




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 Re: Farmall M, Tires and Hauling in reply to SScott, 05-16-2005 09:24:19  
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Scott,

If you find all the right pieces to make your tractor roll, you still will need a way to get it up on the trailer, and in the correct position. It is possible to attach a pully to the front of the trailer and pull it on by backing a pulling rig with cable attached to the tractor and through the pully and back to the pulling rig. You can also jacknife your Pickup and pull the tractor straight on from the front of the trailer.

There are other ways to load a tractor on a tailer besides rolling it on. If you can get access to a strong loader, the operator can set the tractor in the exact location on your trailer for the best ride home. I am attaching a picture of the loading of my Farmall C that was stuck and missing a rear tire.

Find the right trailer and tow vehicle. 300 miles is a great distance to travel with the wrong rig. Trouble will find you. Attach the front and rear with two chains at each end. Use binders on all four chains. Check them for tension after 30 miles or so. Hauling tractors the first few times out can give you some grief.

Good luck and let us know how it went.

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Nebraska Cowman

05-16-2005 10:09:02




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 Re: Farmall M, Tires and Hauling in reply to SScott, 05-16-2005 09:24:19  
scott, where in nebraska are you? I'm south of North Platte



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old

05-16-2005 09:39:09




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 Re: Farmall M, Tires and Hauling in reply to SScott, 05-16-2005 09:24:19  
The tires should be something like a 12.4X38 or 13.9X38 for the rears and a 6.00X16 for the fronts. A U-haul car trailor would be big enough to haul it.



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Nat

05-16-2005 12:28:00




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 Re: Farmall M, Tires and Hauling in reply to old, 05-16-2005 09:39:09  
A U-Haul car hauler? No way, not unless you're looking to kill someone.

First off, the tractor is almost certainly way too wide. The wheels are almost certainly dished out, and even if they're slid all the way in, the tractor is pushing 8 feet wide. Those car haulers only handle a maximum of 82". Good luck getting the wheels loosened up, flipped around, and slid in.

Second, those trailers are open down the middle. If the tractor has a narrow front, where's it going to sit? If it's a wide front, good luck getting the front end slid in.

Third, an M weighs something on the order of over 6000 pounds. Add 2000 pounds more for the trailer, and you're not going to want to haul that with the family minivan, or even a 1/2 ton

You're also not going to pull it with your family SUV either, or your 1/2 ton pickup.

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Ben Rauls

05-17-2005 14:58:36




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 Re: Farmall M, Tires and Hauling in reply to Nat, 05-16-2005 12:28:00  
my M weighs 4980, and a u haul works just fine



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terryjd

05-16-2005 23:45:28




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 Re: Farmall M, Tires and Hauling in reply to Nat, 05-16-2005 12:28:00  
I think a half ton can handle hauling a M easy enough. My dad has a M weighs about 6500, thats what the scales at the pulls say anyways, home made trailer 2100 pounds. We made it out of an old mobile home frame, it does have a pair of at least 6000 pound axles with electric brakes. He use to use a stock 77 chevy 2wd, 3 speed auto with a 6 cylinder engine, a 250 maybe and it hauled great, slow up the hills but would make it up nice and steady pull. Went to a 92 stock Chevy half ton, 305, 4 speed auto, pull in 3'rd not overdrive and it hauls that tractor and trailer like wasn't even a load behind it. Have to use head and keep around 50-55 incase of a quick stop but takes a good hill without slowing down. My 80 chevy with the 305 has no problem pulling it either. Now my dad is 75 and has been using this combination of truck/trailer for around 8 years going to the antique tractor pulls without a problem. I won't tell you about the few years he pulled the tractor around with a homemade tow bar to the pulls, 15 mph, 2 hours to get 20 miles to a close pull, truck brakes stopping truck and tractor, them were long interesting trips lol. I have been driving about 30 years myself, use to drive truck so have some knowlage on the subject but have not towed near as much as a lot of you on here so I can only comment on what has worked for us and our area in Ontario.

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Sscott

05-17-2005 08:29:56




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 Re: Farmall M, Tires and Hauling in reply to terryjd, 05-16-2005 23:45:28  
Thanks everyone, This going to be a life long project for me because I don"t know anything about tractors other than driving them off and on my whole life. I will start by buying the manual. So if anyone knows of a 50"s M near Lincoln (50 miles) for parts please let me know.

I going to haul this thing with a dodge 1/2 ton with 5.7 (not in overdrive) with a damm good tilt trailer to south of Lincoln. The tractor doesn"t have wheel weights or tires on it for that matter, but it will in time. This was my grandpas first tractor that he was able to buy new, and he was proud of it. FYI- it was lost in the family because a distant member of the family borrowed it and broke an axle, and didn"t fix it. Out of subborness nobody ever did fix it and the tractor just kinda went away for a while but I"m gonna go get it and give a shot fixing up over time. So bottom line if you borrow something and break it...fix it.

Thank you everybody for the input it"s been helpful to me.

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old

05-16-2005 12:38:36




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 Re: Farmall M, Tires and Hauling in reply to Nat, 05-16-2005 12:28:00  
Funny I use a 16 foot car type trailor for hauling all my tractors with no problems. Yes its not an open center type. I use a Chev. 4X4 heavy half to pull it. I have never had any problems and have never been over loaded either, even with my Oliver Super 88 on and its bigger then an M



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Nat

05-16-2005 13:39:10




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 Re: Farmall M, Tires and Hauling in reply to old, 05-16-2005 12:38:36  
That's a flatbed trailer, not a "U-Haul car hauler." I looked at those for hauling a Cub.

There are two narrow rails that you drive the car on. The rest of the trailer bottom is wide open, so it's no good for a narrow front tractor. Plus, the weight limit is 5000 pounds. An M is guaranteed to weigh 6000 pounds or more. I wouldn't risk it, especially when you see how badly beat up these trailers usually are. Some of them I wouldn't trust to safely haul a bicycle, let alone a 6000lb tractor.

Don't know about you, but my "heavy half" 2wd pickup is rated for 6300lbs towing. That's the weight of an M without the trailer. A trailer will add at least 2000lbs to the package. I might consider it for a short haul of < 50 miles, but not 300. Considering how they build trucks these days, I wouldn't expect to have much left after a 300 mile haul 2000+lbs over the rated GCWR.

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Paul in Mich

05-16-2005 17:07:19




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 Re: Farmall M, Tires and Hauling in reply to Nat, 05-16-2005 13:39:10  
Nat, The only way a Farmall M is going to weigh 6,000 lbs is if its loaded down with triple rear wheel weights. M"s sans weights are somewhere around 4.500 lbs. A car hauler rated at 7,000 will handle an M just fine. As to width, most wheels are set at 60" center to center. Add 13 or 15" tire width and you still cant get to 82". A couple of wood planks down the center of the trailer works just fine for accomodating a narrow front end. Most 1/2 ton pickups will handle a 7,000 lb load as it is only 3-1/2 tons. Good trailer brakes and if not a stick shift having a transmission cooler on the truck is about all else necessary to haul over the road. I would be more concerned with trailer length, so that the load can be balanced, which a car hauler allows. Their axle position alloows an M to be loaded so as to balance nicely. If everyone hauled tractors around on a 20" gooseneck or a heavy equipment trailer, we"d see about half as many tractors at the shows that we do now.

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Hugh MacKay

05-16-2005 15:40:00




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 Re: Farmall M, Tires and Hauling in reply to Nat, 05-16-2005 13:39:10  
Nat: I wouldn't question what old is doing, he's been around here a long time. I think he's been hauling trailers and tractors a long time as well. When you start talking car haulers, I've seen vast differences in trailers, and yes all considered to be car haulers. I had one an 18 footer, pulled it with a 1972 Chevy C-20. Truck and trailer weighed in at just under 8,000 lbs. It was saftied by DOT to haul gross 20,000 lbs. It was considered to be a car hauler. I was on several ocasions subjected to inspections at highway scales, always breezed through with flying colors, even when within 100 lbs of total limit.

That truck was not as it came from factory. You can change the rating of trucks for trailering. 3/4 tons are easy, probably not so easy with a 1/2 ton. Having said all of that, I was never satisfied my unit had enough braking capacity, even though it did satisfy DOT. In the late 1970s I bought a single axle highway tractor and 40' drop deck trailer. Really not a lot more power train than the 3/4 ton. It had two things load capacity and air brakes. Now if you want my real opinion nothing should be allowed on highway in excess of 10,000 GVW without air brakes. The volume of traffic has become too great for any less. Might be fine if you wish to stick to county roads, and drive under 50 mph.

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old

05-16-2005 16:37:50




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 Re: Farmall M, Tires and Hauling in reply to Hugh MacKay, 05-16-2005 15:40:00  
Thank you for standing up for me. By the way I'm a retired truck driver and still have my class A CDL. I learned a long time ago just how far you can push an old truck. I run a 1980 chev heavy half but its no where near stock. I have extra springs, large tires and I alway make sure that the brakes are good. I even do the old DOT light test before I head out. Thakns again



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Hugh MacKay

05-16-2005 17:08:21




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 Re: Farmall M, Tires and Hauling in reply to old, 05-16-2005 16:37:50  
old: Kind of thought I'd heard this trucking career item before. One thing about those old Chevy's and Ford's, you could beef them up to haul most anything. Couple of years ago was operating a blueberry harvester for a local farmer. You always had a young teen helper. When we were going to move I would take harvester and kid would follow with my pickup. Chevy C-20, full floating rear end, built up springs, 4 speed standard transmission, and 6.2 diesel. Now we all know that diesel was a Mickey Mouse affair. Didn't have the acceleration of a 350 gas but it would lug with them.

Day came for our first move, I said to the kid, " Think you can handle that old Chevy." "Sure", he said, " My dad has one just like it." After driving mt truck, he said, "Not much like my dad's 1/2 ton, kind of more like a highway tractor." I've found most of the pickup trucks built since 1990, don't have much ability to haul anymore. It would take a lot more than we did to those oldies to make a trailer hauler out of the new ones.

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old

05-16-2005 18:32:01




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 Re: Farmall M, Tires and Hauling in reply to Hugh MacKay, 05-16-2005 17:08:21  
Very true, my truck is a 350, with a 4 barrel on top. It has high gears for a 4X4, it also has a 4 speed. I get 18-20MPG loaded or unloaded. It also has a flat bed on the back, with a winch in the center, a lift/wench on the drivers side that will lift 1000lbs. Has goose neck, 5th wheel and bumper hitch, thinging about puttin pendle on it also but haven't do so yet. I run a set of 9.50X31X15s on it and have put it in places most truck/trailors would have been lost.
Thanks again

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old

05-16-2005 15:03:19




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 Re: Farmall M, Tires and Hauling in reply to Nat, 05-16-2005 13:39:10  
I use an old truck by the way when they built trucks, Also by car hauler I was talking about the trailors that are flat bed. I've seen more the one U-Haul trailor that was a flat bed.



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Nat

05-17-2005 03:12:21




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 Re: Farmall M, Tires and Hauling in reply to old, 05-16-2005 15:03:19  
Look, you go to U-HAUL, the place with the orange and white trucks, and try to rent a FLATBED trailer. You can't. They only have these "car haulers" with open centers now. Believe me, I've tried at all twelve U-HAUL offices in the area, and on their website. They look at you like you've sprouted a third eye! Maybe you could back in 1980, but it's 2005 now. Things have changed.

We aren't disagreeing here. You just have to wake up and realize that not everyone is running a HEAVILY MODIFIED 1/2 ton pickup, and people will take your advice LITERALLY. You said "uhaul" probably meaning any old rental place. Most people will take you literally and go straight to the place with the orange and white trucks, U-HAUL, where all they can get is an open-center car hauler.

Yes, there are rental shops that have true flatbed EQUIPMENT trailers, but not U-HAUL. Okay?

Fine, you go ahead and haul your M with the family minivan and a U-HAUL car hauler. Just let me know so I can be as far away from the road as possible while you're doing it, cuz with my luck I'd be the one you ran over and killed.

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El Toro

05-16-2005 12:53:43




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 Re: Farmall M, Tires and Hauling in reply to old, 05-16-2005 12:38:36  
How about hauling it without the wheels and have
a crane to load it on your trailer. This would lower the CG too. Hal



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