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old

05-11-2005 18:45:32




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Loaded up a 300U that I just got up and running for a guy. Took off to his place and got about half way there and bang blew a tire on the trailor, drove it about 2 miles that way. Unloaded the tractor at a quick stop gas station. Put about 8 gallions of gas in the tractor and off he went with it. He drove it about 10 miles home and it didn't miss a lick and pulled all the hills in 5th gear. Sure was glad he had been driveing behind me. Picture of the 300U is in the tractor photos

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PAULIH300

05-11-2005 19:22:26




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 Re: If it can go wrong it will. in reply to old, 05-11-2005 18:45:32  
Cant keep those Utes down...when their mode of transportation fails,just saddle up and cruise on down the road...(if the steering allows for high speed running).But gas mileage....10 miles on 8 gallons of gas....even a giant SUV doesnt get THAT bad of mileage...LOL
Oh well...maybe Hybrid Utes are coming next....



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Van in AR

05-11-2005 20:40:29




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 Re: If it can go wrong it will. in reply to PAULIH300, 05-11-2005 19:22:26  
Why do people like the 300 U so much, with that swept back axle and clutch of doom it just dont make a good loader tractor you can be comforable with. Besides the row crops are prettier. LOL Van



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Hugh MacKay

05-12-2005 13:04:02




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 Re: If it can go wrong it will. in reply to Van in AR, 05-11-2005 20:40:29  
Van: Now there is a good question, they should all be relagated as parts tractors for keeping every Farmall going. IH didn't need a tractor that heavy to compete with an 8N. SA and SC were allready doing that quite nicely. The SC would have been the tractor to build in a Utility version.

They suposedly put that swept back axle on the 300 Utility to give it manuverability, yet a Farmall with narrow front would out manuver it everytime. Then add those 28" tires versus the 38" on the Farmall and the Utility became a useless piece of horsepower.

IH sold the Utility for less money than a Farmall. I'm certain they didn't build them for any less. I guess they figured since they destroyed the productivity they better give the buyer a break. For the most part the Utilities went to small farms and saw limited use. The power train which is exactly same as the Farmall except for rear axles, would make good parts tractors for badly worn Farmalls.

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Ibby

05-13-2005 04:00:45




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 The Utility is usually the Best Tractor! in reply to Hugh MacKay, 05-12-2005 13:04:02  
I look at it the other way. Glad IH made so many row crops to provide parts for my 350 Utility! Try Steering a narrow front Farmall through knee deep mud, under low hanging branches, skidding 2 cords of cull trees behind you. When the front tires drop into a beaver channel as you come up out of the swamp, you'll wish you had a wide front with swept back axle. With the 350 utility, Raise the load with the hydraulic drawbar as the front tires hit the channel and they'll float right across. Drop the load as the rears hit it, and just keep on trucking. The clutch doesn't even get touched.

My point is - Different tractors for different jobs. My Utility mows, rakes and bales hay, plows 3 bottoms and runs all my equipment nicely, and I don't need a ladder to climb onto it. It's superior for woods work to most every other tractor. (For small jobs, of course. It ain't a skidder.) With double ring chains and loaded tires, I NEVER run out of traction in anything but deep soupy clay mud. Sure, the clutch is stiff, but so what? I don;t sit there holding in in all day.

Yes, I have a loader for it, and used it several years. My clutch leg noticed it, but not any worse than any other part of my body after loading manure for 7 hours.

IH wasn't trying to compete with Ford. They wanted and produced something an order of magnitude better! I had 4 Fords (at various times). Underpowered, poorly designed transmissions, weak hydraulics and no guts at all. THe only use I have for a N series is to part them out to buy IH parts.

I had 3 different Farmall Row Crops. Best use for them is to fix them up, give them a nice paint job and sell them to someone that doesn't know enough to buy a Utility. My last Farmall will be ready for sale in a few Months. 450 with ALL the bells and whistles. It'll sell for enough to finish the restoration on my 544 utility.

Interesting discussion! I had fun, anyway.

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JImmy King

05-14-2005 13:28:22




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 Re: The Utility is usually the Best Tractor! in reply to Ibby, 05-13-2005 04:00:45  
My Dad wanted a U tractor so bad he could taste it, so he bought a 330U at a farm sale, with loader and 3 disc fast fitch plow. We went to the field onced with it, and the H and the HM150 3 disc plow on it. We filled them both with gas I was on the 330, Dad on the H he lapped me every 4 rounds in a 10 acre field. we plowed for 4 hrs. went back to the house filled both tractors, the H took 7.7 gal the 330 took 9.7 gal, that was close it only had a 10 gal tank. Oh yes it was dirty to ride, hot, and the roughest riding peice of crap we ever had.

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Hugh MacKay

05-13-2005 14:47:21




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 Re: The Utility is usually the Best Tractor! in reply to Ibby, 05-13-2005 04:00:45  
Ibby: Well you proved one thing, " How little you know." Don't be so silly telling us a Utility will out pull a Farmall, get a grip on yourself. I would guess I've skidded a million feet of lumber with Farmalls 300 and 560D. Probably my farm logged a 100,000 hours with 6 Farmalls and one John Deere forestry skidder. Utilities had one good market, "Those who had little work to do."



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Van in AR

05-13-2005 21:16:14




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 Re: The Utility is usually the Best Tractor! in reply to Hugh MacKay, 05-13-2005 14:47:21  
Hugh,
You are a funny guy! Funny, but right as rain. You have a great way with words, don't ever change. Also by the way, I've also never seen a utility that would out pull the same model rowcrop during the same conditions, pure fantasy.
Van



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Van in AR

05-12-2005 16:44:27




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 Re: If it can go wrong it will. in reply to Hugh MacKay, 05-12-2005 13:04:02  
Hugh, We are on the same train of though, I have a freind that has two of the U's and we love to take parts off to keep our farmalls running. Nothing better than baling hay with a narrow front farmall, good gosh I can smell it now. Had a 300U and it was a piece of crap, steering was a joke, a bad joke, would rather have a 8N or a Ferguson. And yes the Super C would have made a outstanding utility.
Van

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Hugh MacKay

05-12-2005 17:44:21




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 Re: If it can go wrong it will. in reply to Van in AR, 05-12-2005 16:44:27  
Van: My dad bought a new Farmall 300, narrow front, in 1955, and he bought it mainly for baling. Even after we got the 560 wf, he still liked the 300 for baling. With the NH S-69 with thrower and 4 - 20 wagons, the 300 clocked up 9,000 bales total in two consecutive days, and the hay was all in barn. Only had Farmalls 300, 130 and Cockshutt 540 in those days. But then I always say harvesting small square bales had more to do with manpower than horsepower.

Later on I added Farmalls 560D and 656D to the lineup, never duplicated that two day total again. Mainly due to availability of labour. I have baled and stored 4,500 bales numerous times in a given day, but was never able to do it two days in a row.

My dad started farming with a team of horses and a Fordson. I don't remember the Fordson but he claimed it only added to the horses workload, tow starting it. For all it achived when going horses were faster. In 1942 he bought a new W4, traded that off for a new H in 1951. He said it unbelievable the difference between the standard and row crop with basically same power train. H was twice the tractor W4 was. The 300s are no different. IH thought that swept back axle was the cats meow. I suppose it could have been had they built a good steering system. I take notice, there has not been a lot of swept back axle tractors built in the past 20 years. About as usless as a pig on ice is what they were.

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Van in AR

05-12-2005 18:56:16




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 Re: If it can go wrong it will. in reply to Hugh MacKay, 05-12-2005 17:44:21  
Hugh,
My dad started with a 1956 300 LP, (must be a southern thing). We raised cattle and the only row cropping it did was a small field of sweet corn and potatos. Used that tractor for baling hay and it was also a great mower tractor with a IH 100 balance head mower, cut in forth gear all day. That tractor was our only one for several years and we finally got a 55 300 gas, TA and live power, thought we were in heaven, since added a Ford 5000, a 4020 D Deere and a 730 D. All had live PTO, baled with them all, after two days always went and got the 300, It was perfection with a JD 14T baler, should have been RED it was that good. Had a 300 U for a while and it was good for bushhogging in the hills due to its low center of gravity, but that was about
all. Some city dud came by that moved in down the road and wanted it way more than dad did and it went up the road --- faster than a speeding Farmall. in later years dad said he never did miss that tractor at all. Farm sold in 1989 and as I was a career AF guy all equipment was sold at auction except the 300's and thier equipment (Fast Hitch equip), he sold them all to the guy that bought the farm, The guy called me and said he sold it and did I want them back- He11 YES, picked them up before he could change his mind. The 300's and all the equipment now reside on my farm and they are at home to stay til my end. Also have a Utility and a SMTA that I am restoring. The Ute is a 354 with a davis loader on it, beats a 300 U in every way including fuel ecomomy, 300 has a edge in power but who needs it with those punny rear tires? If ya want power to the ground 14.6 38's can't be beat to get it done! Farmalls are for farming, utilitys are for parts.
Van
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PAULIH300

05-12-2005 03:04:51




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 Re: If it can go wrong it will. in reply to Van in AR, 05-11-2005 20:40:29  
IH changed the clutch pedal design and offered a retro fit kit during the run of the 300,that makes it easier to push.I dont find it all that offensive .I'm sure it could have been worse.Traction isnt hot,and steering is a weak point,but afterall these are IHs answer to the Ford N series do all tractors....and in that respect they go the Ford one (or two or 3) better.Bigger,more powerful,an overall better tractor.

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