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436 parts in 414???

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J I Case

04-27-2005 17:36:55




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Have a 1486 with a burst block that froze last winter 436DT engine that was running good and strong. Now I have a 1086 that burned with a 414DT engine in it that I do not know the condition of this engine but the block is OK , Now can I put the guts from the 436DT in the 414DT block ?? If not what parts can use out of the 436DT that I know is good/?? thanks for the help IH fellows.




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captaink

04-29-2005 11:57:21




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 Re: 436 parts in 414??? in reply to J I Case, 04-27-2005 17:36:55  
I changed a 414 to a 436 and only had to change the crank and pistons. I also changed the flywheel (wanted a bigger clutch) and added a turbo. Seems to me there are plugs in the block for added oil flow that I took out when I added the trubo. I was told that the heads were different between the turbo and non-turbo engines. Oh, the dipstick is shorter on the 436 because it takes more oil.



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K.B.-826

04-27-2005 20:23:18




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 Re: 436 parts in 414??? in reply to J I Case, 04-27-2005 17:36:55  
What's a 436 doing in a 1086? If it was me, I'd do a major overhaul on the 414 using the 436 crank and drop it in. Have that 414 block checked for cracks, I've seen cracked castings in places you woudn't belive on burned tractors.



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Aces

04-27-2005 19:46:13




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 Re: 436 parts in 414??? in reply to J I Case, 04-27-2005 17:36:55  
JI The main difference between the DT414 DT 436 and the DT 466 is the crank but if the crank is different then the piston has to be different. The piston has to different length or it will hit the head. I would also check the oil pump.



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xxdonxx

04-27-2005 18:17:52




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 Re: 436 parts in 414??? in reply to J I Case, 04-27-2005 17:36:55  
the crank is only difference. block is the same.



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J I Case

04-27-2005 18:56:04




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 Re: 436 parts in 414??? in reply to xxdonxx, 04-27-2005 18:17:52  
so will the 414 crank fit the rods of the 436 ? will I have to use new rod bearings and cranks barring too?



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Cranky

04-28-2005 09:13:56




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 Re: 436 parts in 414??? in reply to J I Case, 04-27-2005 18:56:04  
Everything is the same, except for the crankshaft and the connecting rods. The connecting rods need to be a different length, or the p

Kinda makes you feel cheated when you find out that the only difference in the engines is the length of the stroke, and basically 7 parts that would cost the same to manufacture.



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Hugh MacKay

04-29-2005 03:24:18




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 Re: 436 parts in 414??? in reply to Cranky, 04-28-2005 09:13:56  
Cranky: It really did not look like being cheated back when these tractors were new. I bought a new 1066 in 1975, but not before comparing with both 966 and 1466. 966 was about $1,200. less than 1066 and 1466 was about $1,000. more than 1066. Most of this was in options standard in some cases but not others. I figured if there was a cheated factor at that time it was the 966. The 1066 and 1466 both had turbo, Cat III hitch, larger bull gears and axles.

I would have taken a 1466, but at that time sales material was telling the dealer 1,000 rpm PTO only. I chose the 1066 for the dual shaft PTO. Of course we know now the 1466 could be equiped with dual shaft PTO. IH didn't want to put 540 PTO in that big tractor for fear of what guys would do to their old 540 equipment.

Since most 1066 tractors turned out as much HP as the 1466 did in the field, they were a good buy. My 1066 would crank out 160 HP as it came from factory. I know of many others that did the same. In actual fact probably the 1066 was the best buy of the 3 tractors, when you consider the 14 was $1,000. more money. Remember also in 1975, $1,000. was close to 6% on the cost of a new tractor of this size.

Over the years IH had this happen numerous times. A good example was C-113 and C-123 engines used in every A, SA, 100, 130, 140, C, SC, 200, 230, etc. I've yet to see a C-123 out perform a C-113. Both engines were too light for the larger chassis and tires of the SC, 200, etc. They did the much the same with the 282 diesel, 2,000 rpm in 560 and 656 and 2,400 in 660 and 706. Long term 282 just couldn't take the extra hp or rpm. This is what I knew heading into buying a new 66 series tractor.

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JakeF

04-27-2005 19:27:08




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 Re: 436 parts in 414??? in reply to J I Case, 04-27-2005 18:56:04  
Swap everything from the good motor into the good block.



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w gatewood

04-28-2005 05:49:09




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 Re: 436 parts in 414??? in reply to JakeF, 04-27-2005 19:27:08  
i have turned a dt 414 into a dt 466 you need to change crank , pistons, cam, oil pump , push rods , head are the same . also changed the harmonic blancer from a dt 466 not the dt 414. as stated earler the block is the same in all 414, 436, and 466



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