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Charles Park

04-08-2005 07:46:45




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Have two broken bolts in the motor block of M. The bolts that broke are the ones that hold the Frame Channel and run thru the Engine Front Support.

Anyone used Heli Coils for repairing this type of problem? Have tried extractors, left threaded drills, they will not budge.

Your advice has been wonderful so don't stop now. Thanks.




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dr.sportster

04-08-2005 12:15:06




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 Re: Heli Coil in reply to Charles Park, 04-08-2005 07:46:45  
I think there is alot about this in the archives[pretty much what these guys are saying but interesting reading].Search broken stud.



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El Toro

04-08-2005 10:11:35




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 Re: Heli Coil in reply to Charles Park, 04-08-2005 07:46:45  
Hi Charles, Use that oxygen/acetylene torch as most of these posts have recommended. Heat them red hot then try your easyout. It may take several attempts using your torch. A torch was the best I ever found for removing exhaust manifold studs. Hal



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janicholson

04-08-2005 08:37:09




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 Re: Heli Coil in reply to Charles Park, 04-08-2005 07:46:45  
If your drilling efforts are very centered in the broken bolts, I mean within about 1/32" or less than a mm) and streight (perpendicular to frame) then I would use progressively larger drill bits to enlarge the hole until there is only the threads left. This requires several drills and patience, as well as a hand magnifier to be sure you are looking at the beginnings of the threads usually on one side, due to being a bit off center. Next is to dose the hole with penetrating oil and heat the casting with 1 or 2 propane or mapp gas torches to get it to ~ 250 degrees. Then using a sharp pic tool (dental type)get under a thread and start working it out like a spring. This leaves original threads (run a good tap in them, and they are where they belong!!
Heli coil is used when the internal threads are gone (excess drilling, or pulled threads). If there is a need to heli coil, the frame will need to be removed to allow the appropriate larger drill to be used (before removing be sure to pre drill with a bushing in the frame hole to get the helicoil drill centered perfectly).
JimN

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Bob M

04-08-2005 08:29:15




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 Re: Heli Coil in reply to Charles Park, 04-08-2005 07:46:45  
Charles - If I understand you correctly you’ve got side frame bolts twisted off flush with the block casting. If so you’ve got several options:

If you’re gonna remove the busted bolts by drilling them out, you can simply drill and tap the holes for the next larger screw size. Then drill out the mating frame rail holes to accept the larger diameter and install oversize cap screws. This would be cheapest.

Or you can drill out the holes, tap ‘em for helicoil’s and install new capscrews same size as the originals. But you’ll need to buy a special helicoil tap and a helicoil insertion tool in addition to the helicoil “springs” themselves. (FWIW properly installed helicoils are more difficult to strip out than the original tapped theads. I've used 'em and they work great)

However before going to all that trouble you might engage the services of a good welder. By welding a large nub on the end of the bolt, then grabbing it with a vicegrips, very often the stuck bolt will twist right out. (The extreme heating that occurs during welding does wonders to break impossibly stuck threads). I’ve had excellent luck over the years with this method.

Good luck!

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MagMan

04-08-2005 08:11:10




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 Re: Heli Coil in reply to Charles Park, 04-08-2005 07:46:45  
I would try to weld a bolt or nut on them alot of times the heat from welding helps also. MagMan



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Charles Park

04-08-2005 08:14:47




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 Re: Heli Coil in reply to MagMan, 04-08-2005 08:11:10  
Nothing to weld to. They are broken off inside the holes.



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The Torch

04-08-2005 08:46:38




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 Re: Heli Coil in reply to Charles Park, 04-08-2005 08:14:47  
If you've got the bolts drilled out, just get out your trusty oxy-acetylene torch and heat them from the inside out to cherry red, then let them cool off, and try an extractor one more time. Heating with a torch has the same effect as welding a nut on top.



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