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Dan Williams

03-30-2005 11:47:42




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I have finally got around to restoring the farmal C that has spent its whole life on our farm. My biggest problem is a crack in the engine block. I might have access to a block from a super C. are they interchangeable? if not can I weld the crack at all?




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James Herrman

03-30-2005 19:37:30




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 Re: C has a cracked block in reply to Dan Williams, 03-30-2005 11:47:42  
My 2 cents worth. Have done a lot of cast iron welding and also brazing and one of the main things when welding is to drill a hole at each end of the crack to stop it from spreading. It does not have to be a large hole, say something like 3/16th. This is just from my 30 some odd years of experience. Have had both good and bad luck. You never know what you are getting into when working with cast. JIM

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El Toro

03-30-2005 13:20:42




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 Re: C has a cracked block in reply to Dan Williams, 03-30-2005 11:47:42  
That Super C engine should fit your C. I would go with that engine if you know what condition
the engine is in. You can redo the engine with new sleeves, bearings and pistons before installing the engine. Will be running like new
then and last a long time. Any welding shop can tell you if can weld that C block. Hal



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Dave_Id

03-30-2005 12:04:11




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 Re: C has a cracked block in reply to Dan Williams, 03-30-2005 11:47:42  
It depends where the crack is. If it is just on the water jacket, you can repair it youself with that stuff you mix up. I forgot what you call it. Just grind out the crack and spread the stuff on, but if the cracks run across the head gasket area, running between cylinders, you may want to throw the block away and find another



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Andrew Z

03-30-2005 11:53:33




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 Re: C has a cracked block in reply to Dan Williams, 03-30-2005 11:47:42  
You can have the block welded if the hole is not to large. I think you have to pre- heat the area and then use ny - rod not sure if thats how it"s spelled. But I"v seen blocks welded that looked very nice. Andrew



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David in UT

03-30-2005 14:23:34




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 Re: C has a cracked block in reply to Andrew Z , 03-30-2005 11:53:33  
re: welding the block, there are two schools of thought on welding cast iron. In both cases, you would use a nickel rod. There are several different versions of a nickel rod with slightly different characteristics. One is better for machining after the weld, for example. The crack must also be accessible enough that you could grind the edges down to make a nice V for the welding.

One school of thought says preheat the casting thoroughly, perform the weld, then pack the casting in sand so that it will cool very slowly.

The other way is to work on the casting cold, but to make a lot of very short beads (no more than an inch at a time), and wait between beads to give the heat time to dissipate through the casting.

I've done some cast welding, and I've used the second approach, mostly because I don't have an oven for preheating. So far, it's worked out for me. I will add, however, that I haven't tried it on a block, and if the crack is between the cyclinders as others have said, I don't think I'd try -- just too hard to get clean access to the weld area.

The mixed up stuff referred to in an earlier post is JBWeld -- sort of an epoxy for metal. It's great stuff.

Good luck,

- David

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Ed H.

03-30-2005 11:50:41




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 Re: C has a cracked block in reply to Dan Williams, 03-30-2005 11:47:42  
is the crack easy to get to?



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