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Temperature gauge reading low?

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Nathan in Texas

03-25-2005 07:28:06




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Okay, I got in a used temperature gauge that was in really good shape and swapped it out last night. Like an idiot I didn't test it before I put it in. I started the tractor up and ran it for about 15 minutes and it didn't even get up into the "cold" range. Outside temperature was about 60 degrees. I turned it off and fluid boiled up out of the radiator cap. :-/

Well, coolant has been coming out of the radiator cap off and on and that is why I wanted to get a working temperature gauge installed. I kept feeling the engine block and it was warm to the touch, but I could hold my hand on it and it actually felt good, I could have kept my hand on it all day long. I took the cap off the radiator and carefully stuck my finger in the coolant. It was fairly hot but I doubt it was over 120 degrees, about the temperature of what you would drink coffee at.

So I took the gauge out and put the old one back in. I heated up some water in the microwave and put the new gauge sensor in it. It went up to the very bottom of the run gauge. The boiling point of water at my elevation is 205 degrees. I'm sure that it cooled down some by the time I got back out to the tractor (I left the gauge in the bracket) so I'm guessing it was between 190 and 200 degrees. Does that sound right for the gauge to read at the bottom of the "run" level?

Lastly I bought some blank gaskets and cut one to fit the radiator cap. I'm hoping this will solve the coolant spilling out when I shut the tractor off. Should I replace the entire cap or will using the 1/32" gasket solve my problem?

Thanks for reading my long winded posts and any advice you can provide would be greatly appreciated.

Nathan

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Hermit

03-25-2005 18:24:09




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 Re: Temperature gauge reading low? in reply to Nathan in Texas, 03-25-2005 07:28:06  
You talked about the antifreeze boiling out even though the fluid level was correct and the engine was just warm. Have you ever checked for a cracked head or leaky head gasket letting air into the cooling system and pushing the fluid out? Or maybe air being sucked in through the water pump?



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CNKS

03-25-2005 18:17:56




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 Re: Temperature gauge reading low? in reply to Nathan in Texas, 03-25-2005 07:28:06  
While I agree with the others about the cold running unless they are worked hard, toss your gauge, bite the bullet and get a new one. Provided you have a pressurized system, the temp will exceed 212 or in your case 205 degress at the edge of the red. If you had 200 degree water and the gauge is at the bottom of the run position, it is simply wrong.



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Allan in NE

03-25-2005 08:26:02




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 Re: Temperature gauge reading low? in reply to Nathan in Texas, 03-25-2005 07:28:06  
Hi Nathan,

I think you creating problems for yourself that aren't really there.

These old tractors have a huge cooling capacity built in. Therefore, your running the tractor for 15 minutes and it just gets 'warm' is totally normal.

Heck, an engine isn't even considered "hot" til it is up around 250 degrees, so your gauge readings sound okay to me.

Likewise, you can't fill that radiator to the brim, it will just overflow right back out. Keep the level down about 1 1/2" above the core, which is way down from the cap.

I really don't think you have a problem at all.

Allan

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Nathan in Texas

03-25-2005 08:43:06




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 Re: Temperature gauge reading low? in reply to Allan in NE, 03-25-2005 08:26:02  
I just think having the temperature gauge is a good idea. The old one was broken and the previous owner didn't even know that it was supposed to be a temperature gauge.

As far as the coolant level the manual says it should be 2 1/2" inches from the top of the cap. Mine was at the right level until I changed the temperature gauge out and now it is probably 3" from the top of the cap.

I thought that you needed a gasket since these are pressure type cooling systems? I'm not worried about the tractor overheating but it does make a mess when the coolant overflows everytime you shut the tractor off and sometimes while it is running for a couple hours straight. Right now antifreeze is not cheap.

That's why I'm wondering about replacing the cap. Hopefully the gasket will solve the overflowing problem.

Thanks, Nathan

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Nathan in Texas

03-25-2005 07:41:49




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 Pic is just an example of the gauge in reply to Nathan in Texas, 03-25-2005 07:28:06  
Just to clarify the pic I linked is just a pic of the gauge I got. That is not where it was reading at 200 degrees. At 200 degrees the needle was just into the green "run" section.



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Paul Shuler

03-25-2005 17:23:21




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 Re: Pic is just an example of the gauge in reply to Nathan in Texas, 03-25-2005 07:41:49  
Nathan, I have a C, Super C and a H. I have drivin the Super C on 20 mile road trips going up and down long steep Ozark Hills and never had the temp gauge even move. I have to be mowing tall thick grass or pushing deep snow for a good long time with the grill covered to get any of mine up into the run range on the gauge. And yes I have a thermastat in all of mine. These old girls where made to pull all day long at near full throtle plowing. Most of us will never work em like what the origonal owners did. That's why there are still so many of them. They where built to last. Forgot to say that the old C is even thermosyphon and it still runs cool like what your seening.

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Peabody

03-25-2005 08:28:26




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 Re: Pic is just an example of the gauge in reply to Nathan in Texas, 03-25-2005 07:41:49  
The only time my gauge moves into the green is when I have my SC under a long constant load. I think your gauge is OK.



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Allan in NE

03-25-2005 08:36:36




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 Re: Pic is just an example of the gauge in reply to Peabody, 03-25-2005 08:28:26  
Heck Yeah,

There's no way that little motor can keep all that fluid hot unless it is really workin' hard.

Back in those days, they built 'em tough; almost to the point of overkill.

Allan



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Shepherd_Bill

03-25-2005 08:08:17




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 Re: Pic is just an example of the gauge in reply to Nathan in Texas, 03-25-2005 07:41:49  
I checked the temp. guage on my '48 H & at 180 degrees the needle point was between the L & D of Cold on the guage. Both of our guages must operate about the same. I had a candy thermometer in the water along with the temp. probe when checking it.



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Nathan in Texas

03-25-2005 08:44:30




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 Re: Pic is just an example of the gauge in reply to Shepherd_Bill, 03-25-2005 08:08:17  
Thanks! That is what I was hoping.



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TomH

03-25-2005 16:07:26




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 Re: Pic is just an example of the gauge in reply to Nathan in Texas, 03-25-2005 08:44:30  
Have you replaced the thermostat recently? It's right on top, easy and cheap.

The engine will heat up if the thermostat is working, but will run cold forever if not. It should run at the proper temperature, cold isn't good.



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