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504 gas motor interchange

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Larry Fetterman

03-19-2005 19:14:28




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Will a 450 Farmall diesel motor fit in a 504 farmall Gas (153ci) ? I hace a blown 504 gas and know of a good 450 diesel motor ...any help greatly appreciated...thanks




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Hugh MacKay

03-19-2005 21:51:56




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 Re: 504 gas motor interchange in reply to Larry Fetterman , 03-19-2005 19:14:28  
Larry: I think you better do a bit of measuring. No way that big block 450 engine will fit without raising entire hood and lengthening frame. That engine is 125 more cubic inches than your current engine.



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Larry Fetterman

03-20-2005 06:00:49




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 Re: 504 gas motor interchange in reply to Hugh MacKay, 03-19-2005 21:51:56  
Thanks for the info guys...the 450 is still complete but I am only able to get the motor and clutch assembly...sounds like with all the work I probably should just rebuild the 504 gas...I did not realize the 450 was that much bigger of a motor.



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Hugh MacKay

03-20-2005 06:42:25




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 Re: 504 gas motor interchange in reply to Larry Fetterman, 03-20-2005 06:00:49  
Larry: If I were you, I'd check around for a 300 or 350 engine. Your 504 gas was a non sleeved engine. The 300 and 350 engines had sleeves. You would need to increase rpm by couple hundred to get standard pto speed. These old sleeved gas engines were far more durable.

In the early 1970s, I had a Farmall 300 my dad bought new. Probably had about 15,000 hours on it at the time. Was on its third set of pistons and sleeves. I bought a neighboring farm with and with it a Farmall 504 gas. 504 had less than 1,600 hours on it and at time of purchase was away having engine rebuilt. When it came back vendor wanted to operate it a few days, just to be satisfied tractor was good. He knew either 300 or 504 were going to be traded off for a much larger tractor. After 3 day on a 9' NH haybine, he advised me not to keep 504 too long.

I had a 3x16 IH trailer plow and had some plowing to do. I knew the plowing was going to be hard as it was quite dry. I tried both 300 and 504 on that plowing. If you look at hp 504 should have been all over 300, but that was not to be. While it was plenty load for either tractor, the 300 proved to be the better tractor, that day. The 504 got traded off and 300 stayed with me the rest of my farming days.

Don't get me wrong the 504 is a nice tractor. The 188 cu inch diesel was exceptional. The rest of the tractor is great, wide front a bit light. That gas engine just did not have it. It marked the very first time IH ever put a non sleeved engine in any tractor over 20 hp.

Another suggestion would be 188 diesel if you can find one or the 239 cu inch diesel used in 544.

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Sloroll

03-19-2005 19:33:38




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 Re: 504 gas motor interchange in reply to Larry Fetterman , 03-19-2005 19:14:28  
Well I have a gas conversion to a combine engine 504 and have had a diesel 504. I would not think there would be much problem with the coversion besides the possibility of an addapter plate if the blocks don't have the same patern where they bolt up to the rear of the machine. The combine engine required the engine to be moved 3/8" forward to allow for an addapter. This causes two other problems although slight ones. The starter is mounted behind the plate on the rearward half of the tractor so it must extend 3/8" further to engage the starter ring gear. The welded on frame engine mounts will need to be cut and moved 3/8" forward to allow for the shift too. The fan is different for a diesel and make sure it will fit in the shorter space provided between it'self and the radiator. Of curse there will be some adaptation for throttle linkage, fuel cut off and return line to the fuel tank.

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Larry Fetterman

03-19-2005 19:58:52




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 Re: 504 gas motor interchange in reply to Sloroll, 03-19-2005 19:33:38  
Thank you for the quick reply ...The price is right on this diesel...it is completly rebuilt...the rear end went out of the 450 so its being parted out



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paul in Mich

03-20-2005 05:08:33




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 Re: 504 gas motor interchange in reply to Larry Fetterman, 03-19-2005 19:58:52  
Why not part out the 504 and rebuild the rear end of the 450? It would seem much easier to me, since even if a 450 diesel could be made to fit the 504, it wouldnt be too long and you"d be rebuilding the rear end of the 504.



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Sloroll

03-20-2005 05:57:39




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 Re: 504 gas motor interchange in reply to paul in Mich, 03-20-2005 05:08:33  
Now that is a good plan! YOu keep the tractor the way she was designed too!



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