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Allan in NE

03-17-2005 04:33:50




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Mornin',

Was reading in horror about Haymeadow's dilemma with the broken off easy out in the block of the H. That's a heartbreaker.

Been there a few times myself and for what it's worth, a good set of left handed drill bits will work miracles on broken bolts, studs, etc.

If a guy starts small drilling dead center, drill completely thru the broken bolt to relieve the stress if possible and gradually move up in size to bigger bits, the broken or frozen bolt will eventually just spin right outta there.

Just trying to help someone else, ‘cause a broken easy out is a bar-stool grabber.

Allan

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Dion

03-17-2005 09:52:41




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 Re: Easy Outs in reply to Allan in NE, 03-17-2005 04:33:50  
Another point that may be of interest is how the easyout is rotated.
If a cresent wrench is used there will be unequal force applied to the easyout.
Use a tap handle that allows two hands. One on each side. As noted before, a feel is important.
The hole should be drilled in the center of the bolt. Grind the end until flat and center punch before drilling. Use a transfer punch if the bolt is broken below the surface. If it is a large bolt, use a large drill and easyout.

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greywynd

03-17-2005 09:13:41




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 Off center? in reply to Allan in NE, 03-17-2005 04:33:50  
It's sometimes difficult to get things drilled on centre. What I often do is to drill it, sneak up in drill size so that you are just touching the threads on one side of the hole, then I use a dremel or die grinder to grind out the rest of the bolt to the threads. If you can remove the body of the bolt, it makes it a lot easier, and then I retap the hole. This does take a good tap (not these 4 fluted jobs), and a lot of patience. It also requires some skill and feel for it. Find a good machinist or toolmaker that can come over and ask them if they can try it for you. I know I get to drill out and replace a lot of dust sheild bolts on highway trailers for a friend of mine.

Mark

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Gentleman Farmer John

03-17-2005 08:56:17




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 Re: Easy Outs in reply to Allan in NE, 03-17-2005 04:33:50  
I recently had a similar situation with my friends truck. Where might I find left handed drill bits and square shaft easy-outs. My approach was correct, but drill bits were cheap and broke off, then my equally cheap easy-out broke off too. Went to Home Depot looking for something better, but the employee in tools was of little help. Thanks



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greywynd

03-17-2005 09:02:25




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 Re: Easy Outs in reply to Gentleman Farmer John, 03-17-2005 08:56:17  
You need to go to an industrial supply house. There are lots online, and there may be some local to you as well. Be prepared to spend a few dollars, there is a big price difference between 'ok' stuff and the really good cutting tools. But, when you use them, you'll find there's a big difference in quality and function too.

Mark



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Hayfarmer

03-17-2005 07:27:10




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 Re: Easy Outs in reply to Allan in NE, 03-17-2005 04:33:50  
I think the only thing "easy" about easy outs is how easily they break. The square kind may be better and a really good set may help too. My experience has been using one that is probably too small on a bolt that is too solid. I have tried the reverse drill bits also but have so far had little luck with them either. Have heard about welding on a nut but guess I'm not that good a welder. About the only thing that works fro me is the drill. I try to drill the center but if off a little you can usually chip out the sides or turn it out. I worked on old Cats(not the furry kind) at one time and we sometimes had to use a torch and cut out the broken bolts.

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Doug in OR

03-17-2005 06:56:10




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 Re: Easy Outs in reply to Allan in NE, 03-17-2005 04:33:50  
You hit the nail on the head here, Allan. Drilling the bolt does as much to loosen it as any easy out. Left-handed bits do even more. Sometimes, if the bolt is large enough, you can slide a small hacksaw blade in after drilling. From there, saw a slice down to the threads. That will do it on the most stubborn lasger bolts.



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old

03-17-2005 06:51:19




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 Re: Easy Outs in reply to Allan in NE, 03-17-2005 04:33:50  
I have a set of easy outs that I don't think a person could brake unless they where trying to brake one. But the set cost $100 and you don't use a hammer to tap them in. They don't always work but if it will come out these will do it.



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the tractor vet

03-17-2005 06:37:07




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 Re: Easy Outs in reply to Allan in NE, 03-17-2005 04:33:50  
Well , if it is a big enough bolt -stud the way i get them out is place a old nut over top of them and get the stick welder out and with M G 600 rod i weld down thru the nut on to the stud and keep welding up and keep backing the nut up the slag gets into the threads of the nut and if done wright you end up with a threaded stud up as far as you need or want , let it cool and most times it will shrink the pice you welded to and either my 410 channel locks or two nuts locked down and out it comes . I use this way on 1/2 and bigger my old hands are not steady enough for much smaller . on the small er sizes i center punch and drill out to the threads and clean out the first couple threads with a tappered chisel then run a tape down to clean out the rest . The welding will also work if ya broke and easy out off if it is a big enough bolt or stud and your a descent welder. And if all else fails then there is always the EDM machine at a machine shop.

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Michael Soldan

03-17-2005 05:54:39




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 Re: Easy Outs in reply to Allan in NE, 03-17-2005 04:33:50  
Hmmm..well there's a little truth to what you all have said but..easy outs have helped me out a good many times, not the spiral easy outs but the square shafted ones, I have had the best success with them. As one before me mentioned, it is imperative to center punch and drill in the dead center of the broken piece..if you aren't centered you will most likely break the easy out. Yes, a rusted stud over torqued 60 year old application needs heat and cold water. Once we had to change plugs on a car in the shop and every plug broke off. We heated each plug stub with the brazing tip until it glowed , then doused it with a garden hose. We used square shafts and easily removed all 8 broken off plugs. We blew air into the cylinders to get all the water out, installed new plugs and had the car(Grand National) running like new. Broken studs are the hardest test and as most of you with skinned knuckles know, easy outs are just another tool in the tool box. As for a broken off easy out, I saw a machinist drill one out with a special bit he had, and he did drill it out before my eyes with not a lot of difficulty. I hope our friend can get the broken easy out out of his block...square shaft fan..Mike in Exeter Ontario

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Easy Outs...

03-17-2005 05:38:13




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 Re: Easy Outs in reply to Allan in NE, 03-17-2005 04:33:50  
...are for easy jobs.



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Jimmy King

03-17-2005 04:55:12




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 Re: Easy Outs in reply to Allan in NE, 03-17-2005 04:33:50  
I never could understand why they call them easyouts.



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John A.

03-17-2005 05:30:20




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 Re: Easy Outs in reply to Jimmy King, 03-17-2005 04:55:12  
Jimmy, IMO...I a perfect world a bolt was sheared off. Simply drill a hole near the center, tap in smartly the easy-out, turn left and "Violia" there is the broken end of the bolt in your hot little hand. EASY-OUT! lol!!
Most people don't take into cosideration 50 yr of rust, or that it was previously torqued to 250 ft lbs. (a socket wrench and a 4ft cheater pipe) , things like this. An easy out can work a lot of miricles but, there are its dangers too. Anyway...
Later,
John A.

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IH2444

03-17-2005 06:05:48




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 Re: Easy Outs in reply to John A., 03-17-2005 05:30:20  
Easy outs work perfect every time...in a commercial :)



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Andy Martin

03-17-2005 05:29:42




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 Re: Easy Outs in reply to Jimmy King, 03-17-2005 04:55:12  
I think it is a baseball term.

Use an easy out and you have little or no chance of success.



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kfox

03-17-2005 09:37:24




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 Re: Easy Outs in reply to Andy Martin, 03-17-2005 05:29:42  
Easy Outs are "easy out" about 20% of the time. The rest of the time, use one of the above methods. The one that has always got me is a broken tap down in the hole. Can't drill it, can't turn it..aaaarrrrrghhhh. Sometimes you can take a drift punch and finish breaking the tap. Then clean out what you can get with a small diamond point chisle. Sometimes you just buy a new part. They make a kind of easy out for broken taps, and it works slightly less better than regular easy outs. ken

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Easy

03-18-2005 01:03:22




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 Re: Easy Outs in reply to kfox, 03-17-2005 09:37:24  
There is a tap extractor kit out there. It has little fingers that go inside the flutes. I have made my own sometimes too. Easy.



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