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GeorgeH

03-15-2005 11:21:09




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Allan, sounds like you maybe have some experience with a Farmhand loader (F19-A). How far forward on side rails should front mounts be attached? I see a tapped hole way forward into the front bolster which looks like it would be max forward. Logically looks like there might be a optimum mount point depending on where you want the weight to be (farther back would tend to reduce upward leverage on rear wheels and reduce weight on front wheels?).

All comments welcome.

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captaink

03-15-2005 12:35:10




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 Re: Allan NE in reply to GeorgeH, 03-15-2005 11:21:09  

One thing is for sure, the further forward the mounts are placed on the frame rails; the less likely you will be to damage the rail. Allen’s picture with the trusses reminded me that it is a good idea to check the bolts holding the torque tube (the casting between the engine and the transmission) on each end to make sure they are tight especially when you have a loader on the tractor. I replaced mine once just as a safety precaution, Allen takes in one step further by adding the trusses to take some of the stress off the tube. The torque tube is a known area for failure when loaders are installed on the letter series tractors.

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Allan in NE

03-15-2005 12:49:14




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 Re: Allan NE in reply to captaink, 03-15-2005 12:35:10  
Hi Captin!

I guess it is like ol' Hugh MacKay says, Loaders just don't treat farm tractors very nice. They are hard on 'em and there is just no getting around it.

If you've ever seen one of these things broke it two, it just about makes you physically ill. What a mess!

How's things up north? You in the field yet? These boys down here are haulin' manure and knockin' down stalks just as hard as they can go.

Gotta get those beets in the ground so that they can freeze off and be replanted at least two or three times, don't ya know. :>)

Allan

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captaink

03-15-2005 14:46:01




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 Re: Allan NE in reply to Allan in NE, 03-15-2005 12:49:14  
Allen,

There is a little fertilizer being spread and heard about some winter wheat going in nearby but nothing I’ve seen so far.

One time in early March my brother-in-law talked one of the local farmers into pulling his wagon and end-gate seeder empty up and down the field and he would be in the back acting like he was shoveling. Nobody was in the field when they went out just after noon; there were six neighbors in the field by 3 pm! LOL Did they all have a surprise when corn came up two months later instead of small grain!

Another neighbor of mine was known to say “you gotta start planting early if you want to get done in time to do it twice!”

Some days I have to sit back and chuckle, seems to me the good book says there is a time for planting, etc. I’m not sure we are there yet as the weather man has issued a winter storm watch for the north east ¼ of SD for later this week. The last long range forecast is for below normal temps…Calving is starting and basket ball tournaments this weekend. Both point to a bad weather weekend almost guaranteed!

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Allan in NE

03-15-2005 12:10:17




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 Re: Allan NE in reply to GeorgeH, 03-15-2005 11:21:09  
Darned if I know George,

I always mounted 'em like this, at the front of the engine area.

I think the main thing (and that brace's job) is to make sure that the rear upright is standing as nearly vertical as possible.

Stress on that brace is linear, so I think keeping them shorter (within reason and the manufacturer’s adjustment) would be better. As far as weight transference goes, I doubt that the mounting position is going to make a difference on the front end of the tractor. Weight lifted is weight lifted, I would think.

The question of front end wear on front hanging loaders vs rear mount loaders, would only be a question of the balance point of the weight of the loader itself.

Hope somebody smarter than I will jump in here and help on this one.

Allan

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GeorgeH

03-15-2005 12:25:55




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 Re: Allan NE in reply to Allan in NE, 03-15-2005 12:10:17  
Thanks Allen. If nothing else, your picture sure illustrates my choices. With this loader, the upright (mount and pivot for bucket arms) is approximately in the middle of mount hardware, and is fixed vertically. Rear of mounting hardware clamps to underside of rear axle with actual position dependent on placement of front mount.

George



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Allan in NE

03-15-2005 12:38:08




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 Re: Allan NE in reply to GeorgeH, 03-15-2005 12:25:55  
Yep,

I see where you coming from now.

I like to have the business end of the loader pretty darned close to the front end of the tractor, roughly at 6" or so of clearance when down.

The further out away from the tractor that the bucket (and the load) is, the more "lever" you are dealing with.

Does this make sense?

Allan



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GeorgeH

03-15-2005 14:27:55




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 Re: Allan NE in reply to Allan in NE, 03-15-2005 12:38:08  
Makes perfect sense - kinda what I was thinking only different words. Also, thanks captaink. I see where you are also but this loader will never see any hard work from me (bucket pretty small anyway).
Mostly got it for show and my limited use - and the price was right.



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Allan in NE

03-15-2005 14:32:55




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 Re: Allan NE in reply to GeorgeH, 03-15-2005 14:27:55  
George,

Don't 'spose you could treat us with a picture when you get the time?

Only thing second in line to a tractor is a picture of one. :>)

Allan



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GeorgeH

03-15-2005 14:51:54




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 Re: Allan NE in reply to Allan in NE, 03-15-2005 14:32:55  
I have only degreased most of tractor so far. I think it may have been a loader tractor in it"s prior life and the loader may have leaked severely. I have cleaned off gobs of oily dirt where there are no leaks - consequently it"s not pretty yet. I am going to put the loader on so I can judge what needs done to it (suspect cylinders leak) and move a pile of dirt that is in my way so will get pic then. By then, I hope it"s warm enough to enjoy the great outdoors, pull loader back off and away to sand blaster guy.

Thanks again for help.

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Ron in Nebr

03-15-2005 23:39:56




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 Re: Allan NE in reply to GeorgeH, 03-15-2005 14:51:54  
Aw heck George, don't wait until ya get it all prettied up to take pics! We all know what they looked like when new- in my opinion I'd just as soon see them in their work clothes with all the traces and scars of the lives they've led and the work they've accomplished through the years! Of course that's not to say I also don't appreciate seeing the results of someone's investment in time, labor, and dollars that it takes to return one of the old girls back to it's original condition. When it comes to red tractors, it's all good!!!

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