560 Hydraulics Broke??

It is an F11 Farmhand. Also when he puts his blade down, it comes within about an inch or two of the ground and will not touch unless he goes across a ditch or something.

There is about 3 inches of stroke still showing on the two point cylinder. We had pulled all the pins out and stuff for when you are plowing, replaced them. Is there some adjustment somewhere on the thing or are the 560 hydraulics just not capable of this.

It will lift anything up with that loader and if you put a chunk of wood or something under that blade it will about pick up the tractor, just no down pressure.

Our Farmall 400 had a rear blade, same two point and Koyker loader and it would pick the entire tractor up off the ground. Dad is not very happy with his 560 right now. Any advice??

Thanks,

Robert

Well, I have solved part of my hydraulic issues. I was able to get the rear blade to go down. I think it has something to do with the Tele-Depth lever thing that runs from the two point area up to near the clutch lever along side the foot plate and its basicall under the steering column area. Man talk about sensative. I can unhook the rod and manually move the lever and it will take the blade all the way down. The adjustment portion is rusted and seized so dad is going to take the heat to the rod this week. I did not have time to look at the D/S on the lever position area yet so hopefully when I get back up there in a couple weeks I can get that figured out as well. Thanks for all of the tips as it appears that this will fix the problems.

A couple thoughts came to me as I read the replies. On the 560’s that I have had, there is a depth stop on the lever that you move to raise and lower the two point hitch that is used for operations like plowing or cultivating that will stop the lowering of the hitch in the same place. There is a button in the center of the knob that when you push it in, you can go past this stop to a lower position. This stop is adjustable with the large knurled screw towards the bottom of the plate the two point lever runs against.

It that is not the problem, there originally was a screw at each end of the two-point lever travel to limit the travel. Try adjusting the screw so that you have more travel for lowering the two point. On this same line, I had a 560 once that the plate were these screws was in would rotate putting it sometimes out of position. This occurred especially when I “slapped” the lever down to raise the two-point a lot, causing the plate to rotate and slowly raising the level where the implement raise to. I wouldn’t notice it until the system would continue to “hunt” because the cylinder was at the end of its travel, but the tell-a-depth was still trying to raise the hitch.

It is also possible that something is whacky in the tell-a-depth valve itself, but I’d try the above first.

As far as the loader not lifting the front of the tractor, is he using the tractor hydraulics or a PTO pump for the loader? If he is using the tractor hydraulics, there is a setting for either single or double action on the remotes. These are located below the steering wheel about 6 inches up from the top of the transmission. If memory serves me right, a 9/16” wrench will fit the “flat” part of these and you can turn them about 60 degrees. There may be decals on the metal cover that will have a S for single and a D for double. Rotate them in the direction of the D as far as they will go and try it. On mine I have to back them up a bit towards the S or the system will start “hunting” but you may not have to.

I think you meant to say it it runs outa stroke.

Sounds to me like the Tel-A-Depth feedback linkage which runs from the top of lift arms to the Tel-A-Depth spool valve along the left side of the operator's platform is way out of adjustment. It's sending a signal to the spool valve to shut it off way too early in the down-stroke phase.

An I&T manual for that series is extremely helpful in dialing-in the feedback linkage adjustment. You may also have damaged differential gears inside the Tel-A-Depth spool. These are very easy to access and inspect.

There is on other place to check for problems; this is within the regulator pressure control block, but I don't think your problem lies there.

Are these 560s that finicky or jsut us working the kinks out. You would think a 40 y/o tractor would be rid of those - UGH

Anyway, I told my dad I would try to get a manual from the local Tractor Supply or somewhere for the thing and help him work on it next time I get up to the farm.

Yea, it runs out of stroke, thats what I mean to say - it lifts fine and seems to have good pressure jsut runs out of stroke.

Oh, one more thing, on his wide front. The big tube has some holes in it where you can set the distance for the spacing of the front wheels. There is a collar on it that holds the short tube that goes over to the axle/wheel. I cannot seem to get that collar tight enough and the tube rotates and is wallowing out the spacing holes. Should I put a cheater bar on that collar bolt/bolts can"t remember if there was more than one or not. Is this a known problem area or maybe just loose and I need to get serious with a cheater on a 3/4 in drive socket!!!

The cylinder on the hitch, does it have a cylinder stop installed? Is the draft in the "heavy" position?

That loader is not going to lift the tractor off the ground unless you use the tilt cylinders to do it; the system will bypass at the Farmhand's valve first.

Allan

The bottom of the cylinder is pinned to the bracket on the bottom of the 2 point hitch towards the ground.

I am not familiar with the draft Heavy position but I presume you are talking about the handle on the side that has an oblong loop on the top to grab with about 4 positions that it will latch in as you pull it upward toward the seat.

It doesnt seem to make any difference with that lever all the way up or all the way down.

I like the other 2 point we had on our 400 much better, it had a separate cylinder on it that was like a leveling cylinder that ran fore to aft under the belly on the drivers side.