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Allan in NE

03-12-2005 05:45:07




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Mornin'

Rau pointed me in the direction of this picture of the front door of the office where I used to work. :>(

Betcha a lot of you guys still take this step first thing in the morning. (Todd, Cowman, etc.) :>)

Allan

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Nebraska Cowman

03-12-2005 07:20:01




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 Re: Office Door (pic) in reply to Allan in NE, 03-12-2005 05:45:07  
been up and down many a time but no Allan, I've got a 358 and climb on and off the side being careful not to catch my coat-tail on the hydro lever.



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Allan in NE

03-12-2005 06:49:22




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 Re: Office Door (pic) in reply to Allan in NE, 03-12-2005 05:45:07  
If a guy uses two buckets, it just stands to reason that ya would get twice the work done. Right? :>)

Allan

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Sloroll

03-12-2005 05:56:39




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 Re: Office Door (pic) in reply to Allan in NE, 03-12-2005 05:45:07  
Now that was just spiteful Allen! I gave that job up and can't get rehired!



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Allan in NE

03-12-2005 06:03:41




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 Re: Office Door (pic) in reply to Sloroll, 03-12-2005 05:56:39  
LOL!,

I know. Kinda tugs at the old heart-strings a little, don't it? :>(

Oh well, onwards and upwards.

Allan



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scotty

03-12-2005 05:56:15




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 Re: Office Door (pic) in reply to Allan in NE, 03-12-2005 05:45:07  
GM Allan, Is that an aux hydraulic pump on the PTO?

scotty



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Allan in NE

03-12-2005 06:06:26




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 Re: Office Door (pic) in reply to scotty, 03-12-2005 05:56:15  
Yes Sir,

It's the standard Farmhand pump. Can't remember for sure, I think somthing like 19gpm?

A heck of a lot faster than the tractor's hydraulic pump, anyway.

Allan



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Don L C

03-12-2005 07:31:24




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 Re: Office Door (pic) in reply to Allan in NE, 03-12-2005 06:06:26  
Allen --- ain't that a bit much for a farm tractor front end? --- Don



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Allan in NE

03-12-2005 07:37:09




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 Re: Office Door (pic) in reply to Don L C, 03-12-2005 07:31:24  
Hi Don,

No Sir, that's the beauty of these old Farmhand loaders. The largest share to the total weight ends up across that rear axle. They are darned near bullet-proof.

It is the front hang loaders that kill a front end.

Allan



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Ron in Nebr

03-12-2005 14:46:25




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 Re: Office Door (pic) in reply to Allan in NE, 03-12-2005 07:37:09  
Those front-hang loaders do more than kill a front end. My brother bought a new front-hanger loader(not gonna mention the brand name) about three or four years ago for our 656 gasser(and don't get me started on the wisdom of buying a NEW $5000.00 loader to put on a tractor that's worth probably $3500 tops). Anyway, this loader is HEAVY. And for some reason that dad can't remember, this tractor was purchased new with stamped-steel rear rims, instead of the heavier cast center rear wheels. Result- unless you take the bucket off, that thing can hardly get out of it's own way due to such low weight percentage on the rear wheels. Put a load of dirt in the bucket and it's dang near like driving on ice as far as rear-wheel traction. Not to mention the way the front tires tend to sink out of sight in our soft spring-fed meadows. Even without the bucket it's still not balanced right. I know- we could invest a bunch of money and ballast out the rear of the tractor, but it's only used occasionally, so for now we'll just live with it.

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Allan in NE

03-12-2005 17:02:27




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 Re: Office Door (pic) in reply to Ron in Nebr, 03-12-2005 14:46:25  
Hi Ron,

Yep, that's the first thing you notice with a 656 under a loader. They just weren't noted for having much of a south end.

A little fluid in the rear corners usually handles the problem tho.

Allan



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RAW in IA

03-12-2005 09:32:32




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 Re: Office Door (pic) in reply to Allan in NE, 03-12-2005 07:37:09  
It doesn't matter how a loader is mounted, if you put so much weight in the bucket at a given distance from the front of the tractor, there will be the same wight in the front end of the tractor. Different monts will change the strain on the transmission housings, etc. but the weight up front is the same.



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Allan in NE

03-13-2005 05:03:57




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 Re: Office Door (pic) in reply to RAW in IA, 03-12-2005 09:32:32  
Hi Guy,

Yes Sir, I know and I sure can't argue that point.

What I'm saying is, that with a front hang loader, the weight of the loader itself is almost all out on that front axle. This constant added weight on the front end just beats a tractor front axle to death.

Add to that the fact that for any given lift capacity, a front hanger has to be built at least twice as heavy to do the same job as compared to a rear mount unit, due to the tighter lift angles and the load stresses involved.

So, here again, more weight is put out front to compensate.

Allan

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Allan in NE

03-12-2005 07:49:58




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 Re: Office Door (pic) in reply to Allan in NE, 03-12-2005 07:37:09  
I just had to rebuild the front end of this old junker on account of this "New and Improved" loader style designed to marry to a cab tractor.

I've never liked those front-hangers, from the day they first came on the market. They are a heck of a workhorse, but they take their toll too, because all that weight is balancing out there on that front end.

Just my opinion,

Allan

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steveormary

03-12-2005 10:26:29




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 Re: Office Door (pic) in reply to Allan in NE, 03-12-2005 07:49:58  
Yup,the old F-10 was a good loader. Neighbor took one off a WD45 and mounted a newer model on a D17. He could lift more then the back end could hold down and had to be really careful with it. The bucket hung pretty far out front.

How much will the front end take? We had an F-10 setting on a TO-30 for many years and had no problems. Used to stack hay and load manure.

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Allan in NE

03-12-2005 16:51:39




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 Re: Office Door (pic) in reply to steveormary, 03-12-2005 10:26:29  
Hi Steve,

I sure don't know how much they'll stand. Neighbor had a scrawny little case with tires about 2" across with a F-10. He stacked with the best of 'em. :>)

One thing for sure, ya never heard of a F-10 popin' the front end on a tractor.

Likewise, you never see a tractor with a front hanger without a bad front axle. They just tear 'em up; goes with the turf, I guess.

Allan



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steveormary

03-12-2005 17:29:41




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 Re: Office Door (pic) in reply to Allan in NE, 03-12-2005 16:51:39  
the F 10 for the Fergie was a cut down version and designed for the small tractors. We picked up a Cockshutt 30 with hay basket to stack hay and just used the Fergie with manure bucket. Also later had an M setting under and F 10. Of the three I would rather run the Fergie.

steveormary



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