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Nebraska Cowman

03-11-2005 18:05:34




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just talked to my friend he says his wife told him that butter is $3.50 a pound so he has to eat his bread with oleo. I told him to tell his wife, "Buy the butter, we can afford it" Seems like if the poor dairy farmer can afford to produce the stuff the least the rest of us can do is buy it! (yes, I am an old cow milker from way back)




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zooeyhall

03-12-2005 07:54:15




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 Re: Butter O/T in reply to Nebraska Cowman, 03-11-2005 18:05:34  
I'm not sure if cholesterol in the diet is the ONLY thing that can lead to heart attacks. It may be possible that it has to be in combination with some other things. The reason I say this is because my grandparents on my Dad's side ate eggs, butter, used lard to make pies etc., used dairy cream---the typical diet of farmers in those years. My grandma lived to be 89 and my grandad to 92 and they were healthy up to the end. My Dad had pretty much the same sort of diet and he died last year at 89, and had good health up to the end.

One thing is that they didn't smoke. They also had lots of excersise doing farm work in what we now call "the old fashioned way".

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farmerjohn

03-13-2005 19:23:29




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 Re: Butter O/T in reply to zooeyhall, 03-12-2005 07:54:15  
My grandparents lived that way too, with all that nasty stuff like dairy, butter, lard. I remember Grandpa re-roofed the chicken pen himself at age 85, Grandma worked the garden until age 98. I guess all that work and fat finally killed them, they died at ages 104 and 101. Another strike against them, their house had aspestous shingles.



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ihfan2

03-11-2005 19:18:33




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 Re: Butter O/T in reply to Nebraska Cowman, 03-11-2005 18:05:34  
My dad used to milk cows, and people could not believe that he didn't get paid what they charge in the store. That was the people that actually knew that it came from cows, not the store!



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riverbend

03-11-2005 18:46:44




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 Re: Butter O/T in reply to Nebraska Cowman, 03-11-2005 18:05:34  
That's rough, it is hard to beat good butter. Doesn't she know that oleo is bad for them ? The Hope Creamery (Hope, Minn.)is still making butter in a batch churn. It is significantly better than the mass produced stuff.



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Dr. Jim

03-11-2005 22:46:20




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 Re: Butter O/T in reply to riverbend, 03-11-2005 18:46:44  
Aaaah the taste of butter! For some the taste seems so good, but like so many "good" tasting things it is so bad for you. Like it or not, if your diet contains a lot of butter and you aren't doing a great deal of physical work to take it off, your arteries are greatly restricted and are greatly over working your heart. Don't kid yourself into an early grave, cholesterol is a killer and is WELL worth keeping a close watch on. Oleo is a excellent step in that direction to say nothing of the fact that it just plain tastes better.

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Nebraska Cowman

03-12-2005 03:28:37




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 Re: Butter O/T in reply to Dr. Jim, 03-11-2005 22:46:20  
oh get real doc. None of us realy believe that. Is beef high cholesterol? Do cattle eat butter, eggs, and cheese? No doc, Cattle eat CORN, the same thine oleo is made from. You want high cholesterol and die young just keep eating oleo and vegetable oils.



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Doctor Jim

03-12-2005 04:55:50




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 Re: Butter O/T in reply to Nebraska Cowman, 03-12-2005 03:28:37  
No, my simple friend. I have seen the inside medical results of an aggregate of people on both diets. You might be kidding yourself there with hand me down "folksy" wisdom...but no one else.

Oleo is a good half step. Better still are substitutes like "Take Control" containing in many cases zero cholesterol.

Many are the tasty things to tempt the palate and in moderation some of them can be indulged judiciously. But as to carelessly slogging down cholesterol laden products as well as a host of others while telling yourself that it is okay to do so will take years off your life. Like it or not, thems the facts.

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Shepherd-Bill

03-12-2005 14:05:49




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 Re: Butter O/T in reply to Doctor Jim, 03-12-2005 04:55:50  
My simple Doctor, you need to read all of the research. I can't believe you like the taste of margarine. Moderation is the key.



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brianh

03-12-2005 08:42:08




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 Re: Butter O/T in reply to Doctor Jim, 03-12-2005 04:55:50  
My parents and grandparents were dairy farmers that lived on a diet of beef, sausage, eggs, and milk. They lived well into their senile upper 80's. Why in the world would I want my body to outlive my mind? Brian



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Nebraska Cowman

03-12-2005 07:14:13




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 Re: Butter O/T in reply to Doctor Jim, 03-12-2005 04:55:50  
just cuz you say it don't make it so. My opinion is just as good as yours and we all know what opinions are like. So quit fighting me. YOU CAN'T WIN



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Dr. Jim

03-12-2005 18:39:12




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 Re: Butter O/T in reply to Nebraska Cowman, 03-12-2005 07:14:13  
The waaaaah! is seeping through there cowman. You seem a little touchy on your off topic post. Perhaps you should just stick to tractors. You better sit down and count to 100 slowly or something. After all a man in your condition shouldn't get excited.

And you're right--it isn't my opinion that makes it so. Rather it is the years of empirical evidence, studies and monitoring that does. I've seen not only study after study backed up with evidence, I've seen the results first hand.

I'm not sure just what there is to "win" for you in this discussion. If you want to slug down high cholesterol foods and tell yourself you're not doing any damage, go right ahead! I'm certainly not stopping you. As you clutch your chest someday and everything grows dark, at least you'll have the memory of: "At...least....I won....the....butter...fight. I....knew...I was...right.....uuuuu hhhhh hh!"

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RustyFarmall

03-12-2005 06:03:40




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 Re: Butter O/T in reply to Doctor Jim, 03-12-2005 04:55:50  
So, explain to me then why some folks I know who are slender,and are very careful about what they eat, have been diagnosed with high cholesterol and high blood pressure, while those of us who are not so slender and eat pretty much whatever we want, get a clean bill of health every time we visit the doctor?



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Dr. Jim

03-12-2005 20:50:29




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 Re: Butter O/T in reply to RustyFarmall, 03-12-2005 06:03:40  
Certainly Farmall. With ease. Hopefully you haven’t been a farmer all your life and have still failed to notice that there are differences between various individual animals such as cows within a herd, or between individual plants sown for harvest within the same field. Milk cows for example come in various sizes, colors, temperament and ability to give milk. And I’m speaking here of cows within the same herd, in many cases related to some degree by lineage, and of the same species. The changes increases exponentially if you include cows from differing areas, lineage and more particularly breed and so on. Guernsey and Jersey cows if I remember correctly have considerably more butter fat in their milk, yet they are in fact cows.

To continue the example, the same is true with plants. You can sow a field with wheat and yet not all individual plants are going to be the same height, produce the same number of individual grains per head and so on. The differences rapidly increase if you are comparing say wheat, to barley, oats, rye and so on.

You see Farmall, there are actually DIFFERENCES between individual members not the least of which is genetic make up as well as susceptibility and resistance to certain diseases, conditions, metabolism and other factors that affect health.

Sure, we can all think of individuals who have eaten poorly, or wisely, failed or abided by conventional rules of health and still demonstrated traits counter to the conventially understood trend and so on. Does that mean one should make no effort to work with the odds, find out what an individual’s properties and risks are? By no means.

Take group A comprised of 1000 individuals, particularly if those individuals are older, and are failing to get their heart rate up in a steady routine manner through proper exercise. Include in their diet 500 milligrams of cholesterol each day and you have a real problem in the making. Will they all the Group A individuals die before 1000 individuals in group B who are keeping their cholesterol level to say 200 milligrams a day? No they won’t. Will there be a substantially noticeable trend for group A to have more cardio vascular related problems than group B? You bet there will.

Will there be some individuals in group A who outlive some individuals in group B? Yes there will. But you will notice a definite trend. Of group B members to outlive group A members. Look deeper into it and you will find that there is a correlation between the survival rate and the level of cholesterol in their systems and the condition of their cardio vascular system.

Will there be some individuals in group A, who die of other causes besides cardio vascular related issues such as cancer, accident and other disease factors? Yes there will. Does that mean their high cholesterol was not a ticking time bomb that would catch up to them and take years off of their life provided nothing killed them first? Indeed it does not.

Will there be some members of group B who die earlier than members of group A for a variety of reasons, in some cases cardio vascular issues? Yes there will. Does that mean there is no value in trying to keep ones cholesterol under control? By no means.

I recall Jim Fixx the famous runner who died of a heart attack decades ago before there was wide spread focus on cholesterol consciousness. I believe if memory serves me correctly that his cholesterol count was above 400 and he was in his fifties. Does that mean there was no value to keeping in good physical shape? Not in this world. It was later found that his family traits contained a very high cholesterol count. He would have never made it to the age he did if he would have spent his time slumped in front of the TV indulging in himself in all sorts of high fatty foods, and then rousing himself only to move over in front of the computer monitor.

Much can be done to keep your cholesterol in control through excellent medications, exercise and proper diet. The choice is up to you. Just don’t kid yourself about diet not making a difference and that you are all right because you don’t “feel” like your artery walls “are fat.” No need to take my word for it. Ask your doctor and get your cholesterol checked, if for no other reason than for the sake of your spouse and children and avoid winding up in your grave before your time. When WAS the last time you had it checked? If you happen to be one of the fortunate few who runs a low cholesterol count without effort, than knock yourself out and have all the butter you want. Being able to cite some folksy story about some local character who your dad knew that ate like a horse is going to be precious little comfort when your family has to summon the ambulance on your behalf. That is provided they are around to summon it for you. It seems a very small price to pay to me. Perhaps you feel giving up butter is just too great a sacrifice on your part. I hope you live to give that a second thought. I’ll bet your wife does too.

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Nebraska Cowman

03-12-2005 07:30:50




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 Re: Butter O/T in reply to RustyFarmall, 03-12-2005 06:03:40  
I've ate butter eggs and cheese all my life and the only thing I know for sure is, I ain't gonna die young.



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Ron in Nebr

03-12-2005 15:02:06




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 Re: Butter O/T in reply to Nebraska Cowman, 03-12-2005 07:30:50  
We all know some old folks who have eaten all the bad stuff, smoked, drank, etc. etc. etc. all their lives and are either still kicking or else lived long, productive lives. And we all know of people who've lived cleanly but still died young too. A man I grew up with, helped raise me like he was a second Grandpa, old-time cowboy type- had only one lung when he died, and died of lung cancer. He'd never smoked or drank in his life. Statistics about the food we eat, in my opinion(which we all have) are like statistics about certian occupations or other activities increasing your likelyhood of death. It all boils down to this- when your number comes up, that's it. You're gone. Period. Whether it's lying in bed or jumping out of an airplane. That's not to say we should take stupid risks, but rather to just have a realistic outlook and try to enjoy our time here.

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