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407 dampner problem

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dph

03-11-2005 07:09:26




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First: I hate to double post on two different sites, but I want all the info I can get. I have a related post on Red Power.

I just overhauled a 1256, dampner went out, although I didn't notice it wobbling, took the teeth off the cam timing gear. Put new cam, etc. in it, and am pretty happy with how it turned out. I also put a new dampner on, driving on the hub, not the weight. It was new from CIH.

At an idle, I can't quite tell if the dampner is running true. The fan belt isn't quite square, thanks to a non factory alt bracket. I don't know if the paint is wore off uneven or if I have a slight wobble. I can't feel a wobble when letting my fingers run over the back of the dampner while idling. I can't feel any vibration in the tractor. If I crack the throttle and give it 2-300 rpms it looks perfect. How can I tell if I have a wobble or an optical illusion? The CIH service man said as long as the index marks line up, I am fine. Is this so?

I will recap what I said at the Red Power site. I don't want to be a pain in the butt, but I want to know this topic. That is what makes these sites such a great service. There are people here who know these older tractors when you can't consistently find that at your dealer.

Thanks. Dan Hanrahan

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scotty

03-11-2005 10:01:13




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 Re: 407 dampner problem in reply to dph, 03-11-2005 07:09:26  
dph, The only sure way is to put a dial indicator on the dampner via a magnetic block and crank the engine over with a remote starter, dont let it start, and you can see how much runout if any you have. Sorry if that sounds like yuppyville but thats the way I would check it if I wasnt sure.

scotty



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dph

03-11-2005 08:43:43




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 Re: 407 dampner problem in reply to dph, 03-11-2005 07:09:26  
I have ran the full gammut today. You don't know how much better I feel. Thanks you very much.



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Allan in NE

03-11-2005 08:54:48




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 Re: 407 dampner problem in reply to dph, 03-11-2005 08:43:43  
Dan,

Not to worry; lots of 'em look like they are "out of round". :>)

Allan



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the tractor vet

03-11-2005 07:36:01




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 Re: 407 dampner problem in reply to dph, 03-11-2005 07:09:26  
Like Allen said if ya don't feel anything then your good to go . Most people never check the balancer and this is one thing on older tractor that should be checked oil leaks kill the elasticmier and over time old age gets them and they start to move sometimes they come apart some times they move and ya start getting a vibration that ya can't put a finger on sometime it gets bad enough that it will break the crank. Just because ya see a littel wobbel in it does not mean that it is bad it could be that the machineing was a bit off but it balanced out ok.

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MN Scott

03-11-2005 10:21:57




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 Re: 407 dampner problem in reply to the tractor vet, 03-11-2005 07:36:01  
Just a little side note on dampers. Both JD and IH strongly recommend replacing them every 5 years or 5000 hours. Costly little buggers but well worth the cost in the long run.



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Allan in NE

03-11-2005 07:20:35




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 Re: 407 dampner problem in reply to dph, 03-11-2005 07:09:26  
Hi Dan,

Just my 2¢. Harmonic distortion occurs at roughly 1500 rpm. The Harmonic balancer is designed to even this lengthwise distortion of the crankshaft out to an acceptable level.

If you don't feel any vibration at this speed range, I'd bet that the dampener is just fine.

And, believe me, if there is something wrong with that balancer, you'll know it. It will shake the hat off your head.

Allan

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