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to use Hy-tran?

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Yellott Canby

03-09-2005 17:40:35




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Hello, I was wondering if it is worth the extra cost to use Hy- tran instead of an off brand transdraulic fluid in my IH fleet. The fleet ages run from '41 to '73.
Thanks, YC




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Hugh MacKay

03-10-2005 06:21:54




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 Re: to use Hy-tran? in reply to Yellott Canby, 03-09-2005 17:40:35  
Canby: You have quite a range in years there, and if you followed the maual for each, you would probably need a new shed just to organize the oils. I had much the same problem in the mid 1970s, farming with 7 tractors, 2 skid loaders, 4 trucks and a Combine. I had more oils around than I care to mention. Employees and yes, even myself were getting them mixed. 4 of the tractors were diesel, skid loaders were gas, trucks were gas and combine was diesel.

One day I narrowed it down to 4 oils, top of the line in all cases. A diesel crankcase oil that went in everything including my car and 4 cycle lawn mower, a hydraulic-transmission oil for all tractors with TA or took oil from transmission for hydraulics plus skid loaders and combine, gear oil for all other tractor transmissions, final drives, steering boxes plus truck trans missions and rear ends and finally a power steering-automatic trans oil for trucks and car.

Oil related problems dropped substancially, I never did a engine rebuild on a diesel under 10,000 hours, gas 4,000 hours, always got 250,000 miles out of a GM V8, 600,000 miles on a 6.2 Chevy in 80s and 90s. The lawn mower is a 1975 and is still going, now it is relegated to mowing just the corners past couple of years.

Now my hydraulic transmission oil of choice at that time became John Deere Torque Guard as I had a Deere with power shift. 4 Farmall with TA got the Torque Guard as well. They were all using the same implement cylinders so oil was going to become blended anyhow. There is no question in my mind, it is, or was a better oil than Hy tran. In the mid 70s one could change a tractor to Torque Guard and watch the hydraulic rams glisten. Particularly noticable on a loader. I don't know how they compare today, but there sure was a difference 30 years ago.

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CNKS

03-09-2005 17:51:10




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 Re: to use Hy-tran? in reply to Yellott Canby, 03-09-2005 17:40:35  
I would be more concerned about the "off brands" in more modern tractors, such as the ones that began getting the more "sophisticated" hydraulics in the late 1950's. Prior to that it probably doesn't make much difference. The liftalls in the 40's and early 50's H and M work just fine with SAE 30 non-detergent. As to Hy-Tran, in theory, anything that meets Hy-Tran specs is supposed to be ok. But, with more modern tractors, I would at least use a major brand, not what you buy at Walmart or some farm store. I have no proof, however, just my opinion.

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JBlavl

03-10-2005 09:37:56




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 Re: to use Hy-tran? in reply to CNKS, 03-09-2005 17:51:10  
I'm with CNKS.



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Nebraska Cowman

03-09-2005 17:45:04




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 Re: to use Hy-tran? in reply to Yellott Canby, 03-09-2005 17:40:35  
it is worth the extra cost to use ANY good oil. some of the cheap stuff will foam and give you grief. I just buy hy-tran because I believe the price is competitive. My boy sells Mobile. I don't think there is anything wrong with their oil either. just don't see the need to switch.



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janicholson

03-09-2005 17:49:52




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 Re: to use Hy-tran? in reply to Nebraska Cowman, 03-09-2005 17:45:04  
I agree most quality oils for the use will be fine. My only caution is to not blend them. My reason is that all additives are not compatible, and may counteract each other, or react with each other. Cheep in Hy-tran is expensive in the end.



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K.B.-826

03-09-2005 18:07:23




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 Re: to use Hy-tran? in reply to janicholson, 03-09-2005 17:49:52  
You're exactly right. I've heard of situations where two different brands of oil were mixed, the additives reacted with each other and turned to varnish. Will stick every single valve in a hydraulic system.



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