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Firecrater vs Flatop

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Gordo

03-01-2005 13:56:20




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In browsing for a piston sleeve set for my H I found the firecrater set for 375 and a cast iron set at 200. Is it worth 175.00 to go to the 3 7/16 firecraters set? Those big domes on there look like there is very little room left in that combustion chamber. Does that set have a special head gasket?

Gordo




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Mike S 806/H

03-01-2005 20:10:22




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 Re: Firecrater vs Flatop in reply to Gordo, 03-01-2005 13:56:20  
I agree with Doug it depends what your gunna do with the tractor.



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Ronald

03-01-2005 18:24:34




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 Re: Firecrater vs Flatop in reply to Gordo, 03-01-2005 13:56:20  
I overhauled an H several years ago and put in the flat top pistons with a low compression head. Wasn't satisfied so I found a High Compression head and the Stepped up Pistons, made a world of difference. Wouldn't be suprised if it was awful close to a standard M in hp in 1940.



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Doug in OR

03-01-2005 17:58:07




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 Re: Firecrater vs Flatop in reply to Gordo, 03-01-2005 13:56:20  
What do you want to do with this tractor? For plowing, pullin' and the like, I'd go with the higher HP pistons. If you are only going to move snow and do other light-duty things, I'd stay with the original flat top pistons. You'll get nothing in return for you $175 except maybe the self-satisfaction of knowing what is inside the engine.



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Allan in NE

03-01-2005 18:07:04




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 Re: Firecrater vs Flatop in reply to Doug in OR, 03-01-2005 17:58:07  
Hi Ya Doug,

Boy, I hate to disagree with ya, but those little Hs are so darned whimpy to start with, just doing any little job is telling with the flat tops.

When I bought this last one, I was used to having the pop ups. Crawled on this thing and was really disappointed in the performance.

Still am every time I get on it. If it would start using a little oil, I'd have an excuse to overhaul it and I'd sure use the pop up pistons.

Just my view, tho

Allan

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Doug in OR

03-01-2005 19:19:30




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 Re: Firecrater vs Flatop in reply to Allan in NE, 03-01-2005 18:07:04  
Like I said, Allan, it depends on wht you want to do with it. Personally, I'd like to get my hands on a C ... errrrr.. Super C .. errrrr.. 200.. 240.. ummm, you know.

I grew up in Wisconsin where many were happy to pull 2-14s with an H. They wanted power, for sure, but they also wanted economy. Give them 5 extra HP at the cost of one more gallon per acre, and they would opt out of the extra HP.

How's things in The Flatlands? I paid taxes there for 27 years.

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Allan in NE

03-02-2005 02:50:56




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 Re: Firecrater vs Flatop in reply to Doug in OR, 03-01-2005 19:19:30  
Hi Doug,

We are in the middle of the darnest draught I've ever seen. Had just a skif of snow in early November, not a drop since. Been this way since '99.

Taxes here are thru the roof too! Money comes in, makes an immediate U-Turn and heads straight out for the government again. It's a never ending battle.

If you paid taxes here, I must know ya? Email is open if you wanna gab. :>)

Allan

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riverbend

03-01-2005 16:25:58




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 Re: Firecrater vs Flatop in reply to Gordo, 03-01-2005 13:56:20  
Go with the high compression pistons. If you don't have a high compression head (casting no 8043, I believe) get one of those too. They use a standard head gasket. Using both pushes the compression all the way up to 6.5:1. I think that there is still about 3/8" between the dome and the head. It makes a nice difference in an H.



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Allan in NE

03-01-2005 14:07:07




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 Re: Firecrater vs Flatop in reply to Gordo, 03-01-2005 13:56:20  
Gordo,

Go for the big 'uns. Worth every cent 'cause it almost makes an M outta the little feller (well, not quite, but one heck of a difference).

Allan



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