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Hard starting H Tuesday-long post, long morning

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williamf

02-24-2005 14:06:48




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Tuesday was one of those days that the night before was cold and the morning was foggy. So everything metal in the tractor shed was dripping with condensation. (And you can tell at a glance where the water level in the rears is.)
I checked the oil and radiator, hopped up on the seat and rr-r-r-r-r; not even the slightest hint of firing. I wasn't having the brightest day, I immediately decided I had flooded it and started messing with the carb. Cut off the fuel, drain it, try again, take the air cleaner hose loose, generally waste time for thirty minutes or so. Finally I move on to checking for spark. I take the coil wire loose, hold it close to the oil filter cover and push the starter buttom. Not an easy stretch, but good spark. Put it back on and waste some more time trying the starter, the choke, flooding, wah, wah, etc. Then pulled off a plug wire and tried that. No spark. Took the distributor cap off. It looked ok to me, not wet, anyway. A little powdery metal, some blackening on the posts and rotor. I wiped it out,scraped off what I could, put it back and tried again. Nada. Took it back off and sprayed the inside thoroughly with CRC Electric Equipment Cleaner. Let it dry (takes seconds; I don't know what that stuff is; looks sorta like ether, but says non-flammable), put it back together and it fires off like there had never been anything wrong. So anyway, I eventually get to a question. This hasn't ever happened before, even when caught out in the pouring rain. Why now?
I don't mind a bit getting a new cap and rotor, in fact I'm ordering them soon as I get done with this, but is there anything extra to help keep it dry inside? Or was it more likely a cleaning or wear problem? Somebody suggested there might be a crack too small to see letting moisture in, but as you can see in one of the photos there's a (I guess) vent hole in the side of the cap already.
Also, and BTW, in the inside photo you can kinda see that the posts ( is there another name) show the most wear and blackening at the edge where the rotor button leaves contact. Is that fairly normal or does it mean something? The tractor does run amazingly smoothly, I hesitate to mess with, for instance, the timing.
Thanks for putting up with my ramble.
Wm
Here's what the outside looks like:

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PAULIH300

02-24-2005 14:24:57




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 Re: Hard starting H Tuesday-long post, long mornin in reply to williamf, 02-24-2005 14:06:48  
Moitsure got inside the cap and condensed there.Being water it conducted electricity and cross tracked/grounded the fire to the plugs.Once the moisture was gone it would fire correctly.That vent cap is to vent moisture when the distributor gets warm,and to vent the "ozone radiation" from electrical arcing.It still allows moisture in.
Keep that CRC cleaner handy as you may need it again.
Change the cap/rotor as they are worn and its cheap insurance.
Sure wish they offered High Performance caps with brass contacts instead of aluminum.

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PAULIH300

02-24-2005 14:23:59




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 Re: Hard starting H Tuesday-long post, long mornin in reply to williamf, 02-24-2005 14:06:48  
Moitsure got inside the cap and condensed there.Being water it conducted electricity and cross tracked/grounded the fire to the plugs.Once the moisture was gone it would fire correctly.That vent cap is to vent moisture when the distributor gets warm,and to vent the "rays" from electrical arcing.It still allows moisture in.
Keep that CRC cleaner handy as you may need it again.
Change the cap/rotor as they are worn and its cheap insurance.
Sure wish they offered High Performance caps with brass contacts instead of aluminum.

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TDK

02-24-2005 20:21:21




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 Re: Hard starting H Tuesday-long post, long mornin in reply to PAULIH300, 02-24-2005 14:23:59  
You can get the caps with brass contacts from NAPA. Are identical to CNH caps,except for the contacts. I believe they're made by same company. Cost will be a little less too.



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williamf

02-24-2005 14:08:42




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 Inside that cap in reply to williamf, 02-24-2005 14:06:48  
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Here's an interior shot:



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