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Another reason a college educ dont always help.

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MN farmer

02-21-2005 13:38:14




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A man with a good degree and a nice job ( which he is the best at) had his company ford deisel overheat. He figured he was low. When back at shop told the maint mech that the antifreeze he used was in the bed of truck and still drove with it way over safe temp. Well it was windsheid washer fluid' The deisel now makes a nice mix of mosquito killer and sauna steam. Another reason I really want my kids to learn the basics of life with out PC's and then go to college.

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Joe Mamma

02-22-2005 16:14:28




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 Re: Another reason a college educ dont always help in reply to MN farmer, 02-21-2005 13:38:14  
I am still trying to figure out what a college degree has anything to do with knowing where to put the antifreeze in your truck. What is the point?



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MN farmer

02-22-2005 17:44:49




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 Re: Another reason a college educ dont always help in reply to Joe Mamma, 02-22-2005 16:14:28  
The "point" was more meant for the need for common skills that are needed for daily life.. Some times ya just gotta relax and not look for anything personal to get PO'd about.



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dej(JED)

02-22-2005 06:26:16




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 Re: Another reason a college educ dont always help in reply to MN farmer, 02-21-2005 13:38:14  
I run a petroleum testing lab. It is about half and half as far as college degreed or not. It doesn't matter one way or another. You have stupid everywhere.
Our biggest problem is getting people who can pass the drug test. Once we get past that we look for common sense. If they have a degree that is a plus.



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willie j

02-22-2005 05:00:36




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 Re: Another reason a college educ dont always help in reply to MN farmer, 02-21-2005 13:38:14  
Two quotes from one of my favorite teachers, Prof Martin Galstad
"This group spends so much time in classroom that they don't have time to learn anything."
"Education is what is left after you forget eveerything you learned in school"
W J



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Farmer Bob

02-21-2005 21:23:00




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 Re: Another reason a college educ dont always help in reply to MN farmer, 02-21-2005 13:38:14  
To sum it up, a lot of folks are Book Smart and World Dumb!



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R. John Johnson

02-21-2005 20:31:39




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 Re: Another reason a college educ dont always help in reply to MN farmer, 02-21-2005 13:38:14  
Never confuse education with intelligence.



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Guy Fay

02-21-2005 19:16:02




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 Re: Another reason a college educ dont always help in reply to MN farmer, 02-21-2005 13:38:14  
Back when I was in college, my dad had a buddy who's son needed help planting tobacco. Dad's buddy was a great guy, I figured this would be a good job for a few bucks.

Dad's buddy's son was a human wastoid who smoked a joint to get over his hangover. Not a bad guy when he was sober, the once he was. This guy was living in a chunk of his barn that he has walled off with plastic sheet, when stuck a furnace in there, after the house had burned down.

This guy hadn't grown up on a farm, wasn't doing a real bad job though. He was forcng his tobacco plants, they weren't toughened in real good. I made a comment to that effect, and got my head chewed off for the next several days about being a college kid know it all.


They don't teach tobacco farming at a university....I was going to school for political science anyway. I learned from doing it all my life.

As someone else mentioned here first, college gives you tools. It takes practice to make skills. I distrust anyone who runs down a college education, or thinks a college education gives them a big advantage over folks with expierience and skills. The folks who run down college and the folks who thinks college makes them a god are about the same kind of idiot in my book.

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Bill in NC

02-21-2005 20:06:08




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 Re: Another reason a college educ dont always help in reply to Guy Fay, 02-21-2005 19:16:02  
Guy,
What kind of tobacco was grown where you grew up? Flue-
Cured?, Burley?, Shade (cigar wrapper)? I grew up in flue-cured tobacco country.
Bill



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Guy Fay

02-21-2005 21:03:23




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 Re: Another reason a college educ dont always help in reply to Bill in NC, 02-21-2005 20:06:08  
Burly. Used mainly for chew, also some cigar wrapper. No shade, just shed cured without heat. We cut at the bottom of the stalk, stick 5-7 stalks on a lathe, then hang the whole thing in a shed to air cure. Wait for a warm moist day in winter to moisten up the tobacco so we can haul it in and strip the leaves off.



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P Backus

02-21-2005 18:51:29




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 Re: Another reason a college educ dont always help in reply to MN farmer, 02-21-2005 13:38:14  
Man, don't get me started!
In the last couple of years my cash cropping and other business has expanded so that I was needing to hire someone. I had several part time guys, none of whom knew what was what. Then I hired a full time guy with a degree and farm back ground! Still no sense! Who among you engages the PTO at full throttle or runs a flail mower in the dirt????
These guys don't realize that part of the cost of hiring them is fixing all the stuff that gets wrecked. I started out farming, now I just spend time and money fixing other peoples mess-ups.....on my equipment.
Any of you motorheads want a job?
Thanks for letting me vent!
Paul

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the tractor vet

02-21-2005 21:28:32




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 Re: Another reason a college educ dont always help in reply to P Backus, 02-21-2005 18:51:29  
That all depends on what it pays First off i can run just about anything and fix about anything , i may be easy but i am not cheep.



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P Backus

02-22-2005 18:19:48




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 Re: Another reason a college educ dont always help in reply to the tractor vet, 02-21-2005 21:28:32  
Hey, 'vet!
What I tell all my guys is that you can get paid whatever you want if you can do something that is valuable or billable. If all a person can do is what I tell him to do (as long as no skill is required) then he's not worth too much. However, if a person can Fix, fabricate, machine, rebuild, overhaul, or whatever, then the sky's the limit!
I've had other people tell me they can run anything, but I'm sure you know the difference between "driving" equipment (into the ground) and "operating" equipment!
Paul

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Dave H (MI)

02-21-2005 17:51:20




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 Re: Another reason a college educ dont always help in reply to MN farmer, 02-21-2005 13:38:14  
I am college educated and teach at the local college. I could not agree with your last sentence more.



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Ron in Nebr

02-21-2005 17:24:39




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 Re: Another reason a college educ dont always help in reply to MN farmer, 02-21-2005 13:38:14  
Lots of people out there who are educated beyond their intelligence.



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El Toro

02-21-2005 16:04:33




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 Re: Another reason a college educ dont always help in reply to MN farmer, 02-21-2005 13:38:14  
My late Grandma once said an education is one of the best things that you can have, but you need good common sense to with it. That can not be taught. Hal



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Don L C

02-21-2005 18:57:05




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 Re: Another reason a college educ dont always help in reply to El Toro, 02-21-2005 16:04:33  
Very true Grandpa....A collage education doesen't make you any smarter, but it puts quality tools in your tool box.....you can still get good results if you are willing to use what is around you ...ask the right people the right questions ....think it throw and be humble ,not a smart *ss.....



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Wide Open

02-21-2005 18:19:05




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 Re: Another reason a college educ dont always help in reply to El Toro, 02-21-2005 16:04:33  
AMEN, I could not agree w/ that more. I work for a Agronomy center doin custom application, seed and fertilizer sales, and other farm related stuff. We just hired a new guy, fresh out of two years of tech school, went for agronomy tech. Lived in town his whole life, had never stepped foot on a farm until he worked here. Sure, he knows alot about the technical things that U learned out of a book, but when it comes to actual common sense or work, he is out in left field, has no mechanical knowledge at all, can't back trailers, heck, the other day we were talkin about heifers and bulls, and he didn't even know what we were talkin about. On the other hand, hired a guy, lived on a farm his whole life, never sprent a day in a college classroom, but some of the things he knows and can do more than makes up for his lack of technical knowledge. Moral of the story is, sure a college education is a good thing, but some things in life just cannot be taught. A guy could be the smartest person in the world, but if he doesn't know how to use what he has learned, What good has it done? Sorry for blabbin, just my thoughts. -Wide Open

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Pete in Cal

02-21-2005 18:48:31




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 Re: Another reason a college educ dont always help in reply to Wide Open , 02-21-2005 18:19:05  
Had a similar experience with a state forester, new on the job in Western Oregon. He had a college degree in forestry from a Georgia college but had never seen a Douglas fir. Had strange ideas about how logging operations should be done. He didn't last long on the job.



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