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Allan in NE

02-21-2005 08:37:51

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Okla Kansan

02-23-2005 16:12:36

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Re: Trike Front Ends in reply to Allan in NE, 02-21-2005 08:37:51

Ive never drove anything but Row Crop tractors in my life, other than my Cub now, and sometimes it scares me more than any other tractor I have or have had. When the manufacturors made Row Crop tractors, they never dreamed that sombody would invent a 1500% bale and want to use a loader to raise it with. As was said, we dont know what happened. Im betting sombody raised it too high, and heck knows how high would be topo high. My brother has a 70 JD and hes used it on 1500% Bales with no effect. Having never had a tractor with Hydrolics, other than the Cub, Ive never experienced anything like that. For what they were made for, They work fine. People in Okla wont have them, afraid of them. I was born raised on the Kansas side of the Missouri River. PLENTY steep, and for 40s tractors on up till I left home, that was all that was used.

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Randy SE-MN

02-22-2005 05:08:37

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Re: Trike Front Ends in reply to Allan in NE, 02-21-2005 08:37:51

Ron in Ne... You know, I think your right on there. I didn't think about the bail unrolling. Your theory makes good sense...Randy

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Farmer Bob

02-21-2005 17:37:36

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Re: Trike Front Ends in reply to Allan in NE, 02-21-2005 08:37:51

I too hope the operator escaped unharmed but, I find it quite strange that the tractor has done a 180 degree rollover but it appears the bale has only rolled over 90 degrees.

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Allan in NE

02-21-2005 18:05:07

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Re: Trike Front Ends in reply to Farmer Bob, 02-21-2005 17:37:36

Who knows, Bob,

But, I think the hay is unreveling from the bale tather than the picture showing "where it laid".

If it is a fake picture, this guy is good. Lookie the "shadow" under the tractor.

Allan

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its me again

02-21-2005 15:41:15

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Re: Trike Front Ends in reply to Allan in NE, 02-21-2005 08:37:51

the 2 most important things here are 1, did he make it out alive, and 2 if he did, did he learn anything? it would also be nice if that isnt a borrowed tractor or maybe even worse, dads.

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Hugh MacKay

02-21-2005 14:01:31

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Re: Trike Front Ends in reply to Allan in NE, 02-21-2005 08:37:51

Allan: I'm in agreement with you, should be a law banning front end loaders from row crop tractors. My complaint here is not safety related. I just can't understand why anyone would want to hang a bunch of rattling metal on the front of one of the very best drawbar tractors man has known. My dad used to say who needs that loader cutting drawbar productivity in half.

This guy in the photo was clearly an idiot. I put him in the same catergory as folks who try to drive 70 mph on snow covered roads at near freezing temps. Or the guy driving mid summer with windows rolled up, air on, and it starts to rain. I told a local police officer rather than block the 4 lane to remove these vehicles. They should be required by law to pay for a sign 10" letters saying, " I am John Doe and I am stupid." erected on top of their vehicle, and further be required to leave the vehicle there for 48 hours for the motoring public to see. Towing companies could pick these up after 48 hours at times when highway is practically empty.

Same with that tractor guy in photo, had nothing to do with tractor front end. It's basically level ground. Clear case of stupidity. They probably should hand cuff him to the Deere and put the sign up for the proposed manditory 48 hours. Give him a blanket, bread and water.

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billonthefarm

02-21-2005 20:21:23

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Re: Trike Front Ends in reply to Hugh MacKay, 02-21-2005 14:01:31

I know we all have our own opinions but I do believe you have to walk a mile in a mans shoes to really understand why something like this happened. Not all accidents are caused by idiots. We just dont know the circumstances of this accident and our most dangerous moments on the farm are the jobs we do daily without thought, just like the accident in this picture. I make my fair share of mistakes, I hope that doesnt make me an idiot.

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gordon hulgan

02-21-2005 13:40:57

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Re: Trike Front Ends in reply to Allan in NE, 02-21-2005 08:37:51

any load moveing front are rear close to ground.

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ericlb

02-21-2005 13:12:48

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Re: Trike Front Ends in reply to Allan in NE, 02-21-2005 08:37:51

i think that bale would have flipped any tractor that size without any rear weight, it probably unloaded the rear of the tractor and that caused it to turn over ive come close to that on a wide front too, dumped the bucket just in time to save it, but i dont care for a repete in my lifetime, that bale is just too heavy, ericlb

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Ron in Nebr

02-21-2005 12:46:05

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Re: Trike Front Ends in reply to Allan in NE, 02-21-2005 08:37:51

I've never even come close, but I always figured that by the time a wide front tractor tipped far enough to hit the stop on the axle pivot, I'd be looking for a safe place to bail off.... Sloroll's post below about a two-wheel narrow front tractor being more stable does make sense once you stop and think about it too...

And just for what it's worth, I'd never heard of a two-wheel narrow front tractor being called a "trike" until I read it on these forums. I always just heard tractors called "wide front" or "narrow front", with the "trike" term being reserved for single front tractors, since any other "trike", like a kid's tricycle or one of those half-vw/half-motorcycle rigs, has one front wheel and two rears. Funny how a small change in geography affects how we refer to similar things!

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Randy SE-MN

02-21-2005 12:43:08

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Re: Trike Front Ends in reply to Allan in NE, 02-21-2005 08:37:51

Looks to me like the tractor just rolled to the right 'cause you can see the dead patch of ground where the bail was sitting. tough one to figure out...a static roll like that...

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KIP

02-21-2005 16:44:20

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Re: Trike Front Ends in reply to Randy SE-MN, 02-21-2005 12:43:08

I�ll bet that it�s on a slope that you can�t tell from the photo. For sure not a heavy enough tractor for that type of work.

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Randy SE-MN

02-21-2005 12:42:48

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Re: Trike Front Ends in reply to Allan in NE, 02-21-2005 08:37:51

Loks to me like the tractor just rolled to the right 'cause you can see the dead patch of ground where the bail was sitting. tough one to figure out...a static roll like that...

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Ron in Nebr

02-21-2005 12:49:55

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Re: Trike Front Ends in reply to Randy SE-MN, 02-21-2005 12:42:48

Hi Randy, ya sure that isn't just some hay that's came unrolled from the bale? My interpretation was that he'd just come from the field in the background, crossed a creek or something where there's a break in the trees and brush, and then hung a right when it turned turtle. Don't know...

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dej(JED)

02-21-2005 12:04:20

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Re: Trike Front Ends in reply to Allan in NE, 02-21-2005 08:37:51

There are accidents and then there is stupidity. You should have to have a tractor operator IQ of over 50 before you can own one. I hope the guy wasn't hurt. If it was a wide front he would have been trapped on it with no way out.

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Iowa Jim

02-21-2005 10:47:09

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Re: Trike Front Ends in reply to Allan in NE, 02-21-2005 08:37:51

That tractor flipped because it was overloaded NOT because it had a Narrow Front!!!!

Place the blame where it lies, with the operator not with the NFE.

Jim

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Shepherd_Bill

02-21-2005 10:27:47

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Re: Trike Front Ends in reply to Allan in NE, 02-21-2005 08:37:51

A person needs to use their head no matter the type of front-end under a tractor. Do you think a wide front end would have done better, Alan?

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Allan in NE

02-21-2005 11:03:29

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Re: Trike Front Ends in reply to Shepherd_Bill, 02-21-2005 10:27:47

Hi Bill,

Oh heck, I dunno. I've only lived in the hills 6 years and all the rules change compared to the flatland.

I'm the guy who said ya don't need chains on a tractor. I'm the guy who said ya don't need fluid in a tractor. I'm the guy who said IH never built a bad tractor. I'm the guy..... ..aw heck, you get the picture. :>)

Allan

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Shepherd_Bill

02-21-2005 12:17:53

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Re: Trike Front Ends in reply to Allan in NE, 02-21-2005 11:03:29

Me too. Its much easier to tell people what they're doing wrong than fessing up to the mistakes we've made. I'm talking about myself rather than you or others.

I never tipped a tractor over but my brother laid an M on its side while turning on a steep side-hill with a heavy load on the loader which was raised too high. The M was a trike.

Since I grew up with trike Hs & Ms that is what I think is authorized. Wide or single tire front-ends just don't look right.

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Sloroll

02-21-2005 10:26:21

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Re: Trike Front Ends in reply to Allan in NE, 02-21-2005 08:37:51

Years ago my tractor training instructor proved to a bunch of us farm kids how a trike (dual fronts not single) would actually not flip to the side on a sidehill as fast as a wide front end. Lemmy try with out his models and fake hill. THe trike allows its pivot point to shift from front wheel to front wheel giving it a shift table of about 16" A wide front tractor shifts its weight initially on the single front pivot allowing the center of gravity to project away fron the tractor and further down the hill. We all argued the praise of wide fronts.. still seems logical; but he time after time showed the widefronts more unstable on a rolling hillside. Regardless, to much weight and a long moment is going to toss any tractor. The mistake wasn't in the design of the tractor but the decisions of the operator. I hope he lived to scratch his head and find a low cg rear bail mover.

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Nebraska Cowman

02-21-2005 09:48:38

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Re: Trike Front Ends in reply to Allan in NE, 02-21-2005 08:37:51

a guy wants to be careful, especialy with lighter tractors and uneaven ground.

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Jimmy King

02-21-2005 08:50:48

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Re: Trike Front Ends in reply to Allan in NE, 02-21-2005 08:37:51

With no weight on the rear end, and a bale that heavy and a tractor that light, it probley didn"t matter if it was a trike or wide front.

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sammy the RED

02-21-2005 10:20:14

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Re: Trike Front Ends in reply to Jimmy King, 02-21-2005 08:50:48

I agree. Looks like he came out of the other field a bit too fast.

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