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O/T The price of corn

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Michael Soldan

02-16-2005 21:10:06




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I took a hopper to the mill today and got a load of dry corn for the cows. I paid 103.08 a metric tonne. I met a neighbour who grows corn and we were talking and he asked what I had paid. Roughly $2.70 cleaned and dried from the mill per bushel. Cost of production is more than that. Its cheap feed for me but I know someone is hurting when corn prices are that low. My neighbour just shook his head, he has all his corn stored at home but the price has actually dropped a few cents in the last couple of days. It doesn't matter which side of the border you live on , farm prices are not fair to farmers. In some countries people spend 70-80% of their income on food while in North America people spend less than 10% on food. What will happen with corn prices over the next months?? Mike in Exeter Ontario

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jayw

02-17-2005 16:47:46




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 Re: O/T The price of corn in reply to Michael Soldan, 02-16-2005 21:10:06  
Hey Mike
I am a feedmill super for Tyson and one of the things that is currently driving corn price down is the feed industy is currently buying DDG at a all time low price and It is used in feed process instead of corn. DDG is Dried Distillery Grain,Chemist have discovered that they can now make the whiskey and still leave 80 percent of nutritional value in the mesh there is companys popping up all over the south that is dring the pback outprice comparison corn$2.85@56 pound at 14 percent moisture. DDG $1.25 @ 56 pound and no Hammermill it is allready too use.Corn went up when they banned Meat and Bone meal then along came DDG. Soory for long post but the more we drink booze the cheaper corn will be.

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Farmallkid From Ont,

02-17-2005 19:11:09




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 Re: O/T The price of corn in reply to jayw, 02-17-2005 16:47:46  
So if they figured out how to leave 80% of the nutritional value in the DDG, Then does that mean the Whiskey is less nutritious?



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jayw

02-18-2005 04:12:12




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 Re: O/T The price of corn in reply to Farmallkid From Ont,, 02-17-2005 19:11:09  
Yeah but it still taste real good on a cold day after work. LOL



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farmallkid From Ont,

02-17-2005 15:04:31




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 Re: O/T The price of corn in reply to Michael Soldan, 02-16-2005 21:10:06  
Almost better off growin Pot With the corn. Lots of that goin on in orford township, until they get caught cause it grows faster then the corn!



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Dave H (MI)

02-17-2005 11:50:44




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 Re: O/T The price of corn in reply to Michael Soldan, 02-16-2005 21:10:06  
I don't know what will happen to corn prices but I do know one thing. If you think I am going to pay 20% of my income for food, you are nuts! How would I ever make the payments on my Cadillac SUV or my 120% of equity home mortgage? No wait! We may be on to something here! I could open a 9th charge account and put all the food on that. Think of the airline miles I could earn. Then I could go on vacation 5 times this year instead of 4!

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Hugh MacKay

02-18-2005 23:41:32




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 Re: O/T The price of corn in reply to Dave H (MI), 02-17-2005 11:50:44  
Dave: I think society may allready have done the charge card for food. I do quite a bit of our grocery shopping, and increasingly in line ups you see the old charge card coming out to pay for the groceries. When you see them getting out the pen, you know it aint no bank card.

Must be that in a great many cases it requires the entire pay check to make the minimum monthly credit card payment, so every thing they buy must be done with card. Now I'm a bit slow on this high finance thing, please enlighten me if I'm missing something. Just thought a guy with the Cadilac SUV and 120% mortgage would know the answer.

The one that is really starting to bother me is if society expect more and more from government, how the heck are we going to survive when they need 120% of our income for taxes. That one is going to really hurt.

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Paul in Mich

02-17-2005 14:36:34




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 Re: O/T The price of corn in reply to Dave H (MI), 02-17-2005 11:50:44  
Dave, You may also have to settle for just a regular cell phone instead of the camera phones, complete with call waiting, call forwarding, voice-mail, and 4 on the floor, turbocharged text messaging that most folks on food stamps and public assistance seem to afford.



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Dave H (MI)

02-17-2005 18:24:14




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 Re: O/T The price of corn in reply to Paul in Mich, 02-17-2005 14:36:34  
I'll starve first!



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Tailhunter

02-17-2005 13:44:11




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 Re: O/T The price of corn in reply to Dave H (MI), 02-17-2005 11:50:44  
Not sure of your point?



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Dave H (MI)

02-17-2005 18:27:44




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 Re: O/T The price of corn in reply to Tailhunter, 02-17-2005 13:44:11  
Your a funny guy. Just do us all a favor and pull the Escalade over before you start cruising the forums on your internet phone.

In case you WERE NOT kidding, I was saying that people have their priorities screwed up.



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farmallman

02-17-2005 10:04:15




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 Re: O/T The price of corn in reply to Michael Soldan, 02-16-2005 21:10:06  
I know what you are saying. I am currently in college to become a farmer. I know it sounds stupid. I am getting a diploma in Agriculture so if farming is worthless, i can get another job with the education. Anyway, with the prices that low, farmers are starting to lose a lot of money, especially if you have corn and beef. Another thing is that the americain farmers don't want the border to open cause there will be more beef and the prices will go down in the states. I guess farming can suck, and it is not al good. I still loove farming, or is it the tractors????:)

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leland

02-17-2005 09:28:12




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 Re: O/T The price of corn in reply to Michael Soldan, 02-16-2005 21:10:06  
In ILL they think the more alcohol plants they build the more they can inflate corn prices.



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Pete in Cal

02-17-2005 08:06:19




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 Re: O/T The price of corn in reply to Michael Soldan, 02-16-2005 21:10:06  
For those of us who are not corn producers, what influence, if any, does gov"t regulation have on corn prices, either to you or at the co-op? Is the market subject to "artificial" influences or is it Market Driven? TIA, Pete



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captaink

02-17-2005 09:14:30




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 Re: O/T The price of corn in reply to Pete in Cal, 02-17-2005 08:06:19  
Good question, the government and markets reassure us that the price for commodities including corn and soybeans are totally market (supply and demand) driven.

That being said, there are numerous government programs such as the loan deficiency payments that can be “artificially” raised and lowered to meet the government’s philosophy at the time. Last year’s harvest was a good example as the LDP’s were a lot more that what the loan rate – local crop price normally would warrant. This tells me that the government wanted the grain on the market, not in the bins, so was encouraging grain not be stored. If the government wants grain stored and off the market, then the LDP can be adjusted so that the LDP is less than what the loan rate – local price would warrant, encouraging producers to store. The government also has deficiency payments that are paid to producers based on what they plant for crops.

Face it, all governments (including ours) is responsible for an adequate food supply for its people. Our government’s philosophy for quite some number of years has been cheap food at the grocery store, and taking tax dollars to pay farmers subsidies for growing food. I’m not trying to beat on anyone here, just trying to give you a picture of how production agriculture works.

Now if the Man controlling the weather sends drought or pestilence, then the market truly becomes supply and demand driven, because even the government can’t make it rain or make a short crop increase!

I hope this answers at least some of your questions.

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Farmallkid From Ont,

02-17-2005 05:56:43




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 Re: O/T The price of corn in reply to Michael Soldan, 02-16-2005 21:10:06  
Ya they are crappy prices, guys down here had some sold for $4.00 last year already. You would almost think with this cheap corn, A box of CORNFLAKES would be cheaper. Some guys still have corn on because they dont have storage!



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captaink

02-17-2005 06:44:19




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 Re: O/T The price of corn in reply to Farmallkid From Ont,, 02-17-2005 05:56:43  
The reason cornflakes aren’t any cheaper is because of the miniscule amount the cost of the corn contributes to the cost of the product. At $1.70 per bushel (local price here) a 16 oz box of cornflakes would have three cents worth of corn in it, so at $3.40 per bushel that same box would have six cents worth of corn in it. How much does a box of cornflakes cost? :>(



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JD @ Antique Acres

02-17-2005 06:33:52




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 Re: O/T The price of corn in reply to Farmallkid From Ont,, 02-17-2005 05:56:43  
The price of corn has little effect on your cornflakes. There is labor,transportation,advertising. It is a shame that the box has more value than than the actual corn inside it.



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David B

02-16-2005 21:23:14




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 Re: O/T The price of corn in reply to Michael Soldan, 02-16-2005 21:10:06  
It's really a shame that farmers have to take these low prices. It's really hard on the little guy trying to keep the family farm going. It's part of the reason I'm going to college with a major other than agriculture, and why I won't farm for a long time.



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superih

02-17-2005 14:18:42




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 Re: O/T The price of corn in reply to David B, 02-16-2005 21:23:14  
The LDP payments is just something to keep farmers afloat. Comodity prices are all influenced by politics. We have so many "deals" going with other countries like if you buy this from us we"ll by your comodities. The US has always been self-sufficient agriculturally. But, why do we import grain? Politics!!! Deals that are made for the benifit of our country as a whole. Personally, I say lets be more self-sufficient. This would definitely put farmers back in business. Farmers could make their money off of the price and all the government hand outs could be used to buy oil the only thing that the US really needs to buy.

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