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CUB/MAGNETO INSANITY

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DANFROMKY

02-07-2005 09:41:51




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Okay..... .everything is lined up including the idler gear yadyadyayda. Engine fires and runs.

Problem is.I can not get the timing marks to line up with the pointer. Mark with the timing light ends up @ 1 inch above the point.

Can"t turn the mag any further towards the engine to bring the mark into alignment.

What gives..... .This is a fairbanks-morse mag.

Send help...Ready to throw myself off bridge.

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Bus Driver

02-07-2005 16:20:03




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 Re: CUB/MAGNETO INSANITY in reply to DANFROMKY, 02-07-2005 09:41:51  
Some cubs have two timing marks on the front crank pulley. As the marks come by the pointer, the first mark is the full advance mark, the second (close behind the first) is TDC. Contrary to some other posts, using timing light will determine if advance is occurring with both mag and distributor even if only 1 mark is on the pulley. When advanced, the light will flash before the TDC mark gets to the pointer.

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Bob

02-07-2005 14:59:03




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 Re: CUB/MAGNETO INSANITY in reply to DANFROMKY, 02-07-2005 09:41:51  
When you rotate the engine slowly by hand, the magneto impulse will trip at TDC.
If it is set to trip any great amount earlier than TDC, there is a risk of kickback while cranking.

As soon as the engine "catches" and speeds up to over a couple hundred RPM's, the impulse no longer "catches", and the timing jumps to full advanced running timing. The actual amount of advance is determined by the IMPULSE LAG ANGLE, usually marked on the impulse, and selected by the tractor manufacturer, and it does vary.

The actual advance is the impulse lag angle doubled, as the mag turns 1/2 crankshaft speed.

A typical lag angle might be 14 degrees, which would give you a running timing advance of 28 degrees. That is why the timing mark intended for "static" timing, by slowly rotating the engine until the mag "snaps" is not lined up when viewing it with the timing light... it is then at full-advanced running timing.

I don't know what the impulse lag angle spec is for a CUB, offhand, but the Fairbanks mag (as far as I know) is NOT original equipment.

If you know the flywheel diameter, you can determine the circumference, and divide that by 360 degreee, which will tell you how far the running spark is actually advanced for each inch it's off the static TDC mark.

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MagMan

02-07-2005 16:18:28




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 Re: CUB/MAGNETO INSANITY in reply to Bob, 02-07-2005 14:59:03  
The impulse on a Cub J4 mag is 35 Deg I beleve its a #7 And you have to times it by 5 if I am not mistaken. JON



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danfromky

02-07-2005 16:00:28




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 Re: CUB/MAGNETO INSANITY in reply to Bob, 02-07-2005 14:59:03  
THANK YOU BOB !!!!! !!!

That was the best explanation that anyone has put forth to me concerning the operation of the mag.

I totally understand and makes me feel like a man again.

Regards,

Dan



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Farmalldan

02-07-2005 09:51:26




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 Re: CUB/MAGNETO INSANITY in reply to DANFROMKY, 02-07-2005 09:41:51  
Dan,
You cannot check magneto timing with a timing light. Once the impulse disengages, full advance is achieved. (Well, actually, if you made a timing mark for full advance, you could use it to set timing with a light.) You need to set static timing per the manual and then you'll be good to go.
Farmalldan



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danfromky

02-07-2005 12:09:24




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 Re: CUB/MAGNETO INSANITY in reply to Farmalldan, 02-07-2005 09:51:26  
Define static timing. I"m at a loss.????



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Novel Idea Guy

02-07-2005 12:55:12




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 Re: CUB/MAGNETO INSANITY in reply to danfromky, 02-07-2005 12:09:24  
Static as in not moving, as in with the engine off.

Stop wasting your time with the timing light. Once you get it close with the static timing, adjust by ear until the engine runs "right."



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Andy Martin

02-07-2005 13:01:55




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 Re: CUB/MAGNETO INSANITY in reply to Novel Idea Guy, 02-07-2005 12:55:12  
Get a manual and set it per the manual. You don't need to do any more than that.



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